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jcastr01
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 Posted - 02/09/2007 : 08:03:53
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| My great-grandmother (on my mother's side) emigrated to the US in May 1900. I found the manifest of her ship, it was the S.S Hekla and it lists her as Amanda Abrahamsen which was her married name. She traveled with her baby who was only 6 months old named Agnes. The manifest lists her as being from 'Sandefjord', yet my mother (who was raised by her) said she never heard that name and thought her grandmother said it was 'Stavanger' from where she came. I looked on the digitalarkivet web page many times and I seem to have hit a brick wall. None of the Sandefjord documents I have looked at mentions anything about her. I know she made her confirmation on April 13th 1890, we know this for reasonable certainty because we have her bible which has that date in gilded letters on the front along with her name- she would have been 14 years old so that sounds about right. Yet the parish register for Sandefjord does not list her name among the confirmants for April 13th 1890, and there were pages and pages of young men and women who were indeed confirmed on that day. Could the manifest of the S.S Hekla be incorrect and she was not in fact from Sandefjord? I don't know anything else about her except she died in 1964, was listed in the 1910 census here in Brooklyn with her husband Hans and their children, and was the oldest of the eight Andersen children. Oh, and that prior to her marriage she worked as a domestic in the home where her minister lived. Would anyone suppose that, since I do not speak/read Norwegian, I have come to the end of the road in my search? |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/09/2007 : 12:37:05
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Amanda and her six month old daughter Agnes left Norway from the port of Oslo. The emigrant register kept by the Olso police lists their previous residence as Sandefjord but that does not mean that Amanda was born there, perhaps Agnes was?
Amanda is listed as 24 years old when she registered with the police therefore we can assume that she was born about 1876. Do you have more detail about her birth date?
Oslo 3 May 1900 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/09/2007 : 13:15:31
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In the birth/baptism records for Sandefjord in Vestfold a baby girl is entered called Agnes Johanne Beanka, born 21 Dec 1899, bapt. 4 Feb 1900. Parents Johan Ditmansen and his wife Agnes (nee Singdahlsen? hard to read). The wife is clearly listed as born in the year 1876.
Sandefjord,Ministerialbok nr. 4 (1894-1905)
Perhaps the Klokkerbok will be easier to read for the same record:
Sandefjord Klokkerbok nr. 2 (1899-1903)
Johan Ditmansen (listed unmarried) of Sandefjord leaves Olso for Philadelphia on or about 21 May 1897 -
Oslo 21 May 1897
Again he is listed in 1907 -
Oslo 5 April 1907
(Note with the last entry he appears to have given a detail birth date.) |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/09/2007 : 14:12:00
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I will leave this in for the moment - very unsure whether it is an answer to the questions.
Agnes was confirmed in 1890, but not on April 13 rather Oct 5, see #15.
Here is stated that she was born Jan 31 1876 and christened on April 2. Her parents were Søm. (Seaman) Axel Singdalsen and Bredine Hansen.
Her birth record is #20 where it is noted that her father, who was a first mate, is dead. See #13 where it says that he served on the Brig Tordenskjold leaving Hartlepool Oct 1875 bound for Gøteborg, but was a total wreck on that voyage.
The widow Bredine Hansen married again in 1878, see #19 |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 02/09/2007 15:08:14 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/09/2007 : 14:39:44
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How does her married name go from Abrahamsen in 1900 to Andersen in 1910?
1910 in Brooklyn - Hans and Agnes Anderson on Bay Ridge Avenue? With 1 daughter named Margaret? No other Mrs. Hans Anderson in Brooklyn 1910 seems to be listed with appropriate birth range. |
Edited by - Hopkins on 02/09/2007 14:42:43 |
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jcastr01
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Posted - 02/09/2007 : 18:14:43
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I am sorry, I think my post was not very clear with the facts that I do know about my g-grandmother. Here they are again, in a hopefully more orderly format, most of this is just anecdotal:
Born in approx. 1876, named Amanda Margrette Andersen.
She was possibly confirmed April 13, 1890 based on the old bible we have with her name and that date written in gilded letters on the cover. She was the oldest of 8 children, my mother knows that she had a brother named Olav, and a sister named Louise or Lovise. Not sure of the names of the others.
She married Hans ('Harry') Abrahamsen who was a sailor. They had their first baby in 1899, named Agnes.
My g-grandmother then arrived in the US in 1900 with baby Agnes who was only about 6 months old, or younger. They traveled on the S.S Hekla. The manifest lists my grandmother as Amanda Abrahamsen and her daughter Agnes Abrahamsen. The manifets lists something illegible but I think it says she is meeting her husband in Brooklyn, NY but I cannot read it though it is in English. The manifest lists her Norwegian residence as Sandefjord, but perhaps she only moved there later when she was married but was not born there. Possibly Agnes was born in Sandefjord.
My mother says she remembers hearing the name 'Stavanger' when she was little and she thought that was from where her grandmother came from, she says she does not recall ever hearing the name 'Sandefjord'. If this is helpful, she said she remembers her grandmother says she worked as a servant in the home of either a minister, a group of ministers or a bishop, cooking, cleaning and sewing prior to her marriage. She also says she remembers her grandmother said she used to like to use the "ski yump" (ski jump) when she was a girl so perhaps she lived in a hilly or mountaneous region as a girl?
In the 1910 Brooklyn census, Amanda and her husband Hans, or Harry, Abrahamsen were listed with their children with his occupation as 'carpenter' and my mother said he worked on the construction project for the Coney Island boardwalk. They had already departed Norway by the time the big 1900 Norwegian census was done.
Is there anything maybe someone could help me add? |
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eibache
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Posted - 02/09/2007 : 19:32:06
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Well, we have to start all over again. Your great-grandmother can be found in the 1875 census for Sandfjord, #13 born in 1874 and the parents were Niels Christian Andersen and Anne Marie Andersen.
Amanda was born Febr 15 1874 in Sandar parish, see #27. Her parents were married Febr 1 1869, see #10
Niels Christian was 30 years and six months and Anne Marie was 24 years and 9 months old.
Niels Christian was born in 1838, see #80 his parents were Anders Olsen and Anna Severine Jørgensdatter.
Anne Marie was born 1844, baptized Anna Maria and was a twin, see #49 her parents were Jørgen Børresen and Tonelle Marie Thorsdatter living at the Tvetan farm. |
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Edited by - eibache on 02/09/2007 20:52:31 |
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jcastr01
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Posted - 02/09/2007 : 19:48:46
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| Wow, that was a good find! But, if I am reading the bits of data correctly, it seems to indicate that she had 2 older siblings? My mother said she was the oldest of 8 children. Niels Andersen appears to have been in his 30's when he sired Amanda, which seems a bit on the older side to start having children in those days- that is, if what my mother says is true and Amanda was the oldest. What does Sandeherre Præsteg mean in English? |
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eibache
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Posted - 02/09/2007 : 20:59:22
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| Sandeherre Præstegjeld - Sandeherre parish (actually consisting of the parishes Andebu, Sandar, Stokke and Ramnes) You may look up the birth records of the two older siblings in the scanned records for Sandar parish in Vestfold county, maybe you also will find younger siblings that could not be counted in the 1875 census and whether some of the siblings died young. It is all a matter of spending time. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/09/2007 : 21:12:24
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He wasn't "on the older side" for Norway. Customs are different in different countries.
To translate Norwegian words you'll find two excellent word lists on this website listed under Links.
Family "anecdotal" information often contains errors.
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jcastr01
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Posted - 03/09/2007 : 03:36:07
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| Well, thank you everybody for the very interesting information. To think, I spent so much time on that archive website and yet never found those items. I suppose it is all a matter of knowing where to look for things. Much thanks, once again. |
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jcastr01
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Posted - 26/09/2007 : 22:32:25
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Hello, I do have another question relating to my great-grandmother. I am not having any luck in finding her husband's arrival through Ellis Island. His name was Hans Abrahamsen and came to the USA a few months to a year prior to Amanda. It couldn't have been much more than a year and 3 months, as Amanda came to the USA with their 6 month-old daughter Agnes.
Anyway, I do not have a birthdate for him and I do not know where he was born. But I do know that he was in the Norwegian Navy. Here is my hunch, he came to the US in the capacity of a sailor and then just simply never went back to Norway. So...to follow up on this hunch, are there archives of info regarding sailors? Or, was there a registry in New York City where sailors would have had to have checked into- not as immigrants but as sailors? |
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Brining
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Posted - 27/09/2007 : 05:09:45
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Hi I found Hans and Amanda in the 1900 US census. Hans birthdate is Aug 1875 and he immigrated in 1890.
Amanda is listed with a birthdate of September 1875. I think eibache has the wrong Amanda.
In the 1875 Norwegian census there is Amanda Magrethe Augustsdatter her father is August Andersen Click Here
In the 1900 census August's family includes a son named Olav and daughter named Lovise. Click Here
I can't get into the parish registers to check this Amanda's birth date but that could help confirm if this is the correct Amanda.
Also a possibility for Hans Click Here
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eibache
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Posted - 27/09/2007 : 08:01:14
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I tend to agree with Carla, the Amanda I found is most likely a wrong one.
Amanda Margrethe in the 1875 census for Sandar is most likely the right one, here is her birth record #193
Her parents are as stated in the census.
The birth record for Agnes (your grandmother?) is #51
Hans, her father (and your gr. grandfather?) is listed as a steward.
Hans birth record is #184
His parents are as stated in the census.
Hans and Amanda were married in 1897, see #13
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Edited by - eibache on 27/09/2007 09:01:04 |
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eibache
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Posted - 27/09/2007 : 08:25:18
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Amandas mother was born July 10 1847, see#25
Her parents were farmer Abraham Olsen at the Husæby farm and Helle Lovise Marie Tolvsdatter.
Her father was born Nov 3 1850, see #98
his parents were Anders Jonassen at Elvestad and Maria Andersdatter.
Hans mother was born Dec 9 1845, see #1
Her parents were farmer Christian Hansen at Hauen farm and Else Marie Jacobsdatter.
His father was born April 16 1834, see #57
His parents were farmers son Aage Abrahamsen at Soelberg and Ragne Marie Hansdatter.
Abraham was a widower when he married Anne Marie in 1867, see #31 and the 1865 census. |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 27/09/2007 09:04:12 |
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Looking for any info on Amanda Margrette Andersen
