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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 30/04/2008 :  21:59:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Jan Peter.
The dates fit the information that has been printed in our family history. According to Olaf's biographical sketch, it says his father died about 1 year after his birth.

But how to prove anything? In the link you show for Kristian Kaspersen's death. There are some letters before his name. Can you read what it says and what does it mean?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 30/04/2008 :  22:38:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe it says "Ung", which would be short for ungkar, ie bachelor.

That is a pity, because your information says that they were married....
Margit's emigration in 1871 also says she was married.
It could be a white lie though... since emigrating alone as a single mum with two young boys was not good,...

Jan Peter
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 30/04/2008 :  23:02:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yes....I agree, it could be a white lie. But it is disappointing that we find no record of his birth or baptism in Norway....in Nedre Eiker. I've looked in the arkiverkert and I couldn't find him in Nedre Eiker. If not there, where?

If there was a way to show any connection between this Kristian Solberg and the Fauske-Teigen people....but it would be like finding a needle in a haystack.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 30/04/2008 :  23:06:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

Emigration on 07-JUL-1871

Marit Mikelsdatter, married(!), (41) from Goel, destination Milwauce
Tor Aslaksen (11)
Oluf Aslaksen (1/2)


Jan Peter
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Are we looking in the wrong area? In this posting it shows she identified herself from Goel. I assume this is GOL? Are there any Solberg farms in GOL?

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jwiborg
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Posted - 01/05/2008 :  12:22:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No, not really.
Hemsedal was a sub-parish under the main parish Gol in those days, so it would make sense saying she was from Gol or Hemsedal. But of course, it doesn't have to be Hemsedal, so there would be more churchbooks to look through, since Gol has it's own.

The Fauske-Teigen farm where her mother died in 1868, and father died in 1872, is located in Hemsedal.
If it's your Margit that we found in Eiker in census-1865, it would make sense that she moved home in the later 1860's, to take care of her son Tor and father when her mother died. I would guess that Tor Aslaksen was raised by Margit's parents at the Fauske-Teigen farm.

Hallingdal is the valley from Hemsedal, down through Gol, Ål, Hol, Nes and Flå.



Jan Peter

Edited by - jwiborg on 01/05/2008 12:30:38
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 01/05/2008 :  17:54:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Jan Peter:

Yes, I see where you are going with this. In the 1865 Census both are living in EKER. Where is Eker? I don't see it on the map above. Is Eker equal to Eiker?

But how to prove a connection to the Mariet Michalsdatter (Tjenestepige) on the Hoen Farm in Eker and this Kristian Kaspersen on the Solberg farm. How would they have met? Are the two farms close enough so that they would have gone to the same church?

Also, for Kristian Kaspersen Solberg, it lists him as a pentionist. What does this mean exactly?

thank you.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 01/05/2008 :  18:12:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, Eker is Eiker..., sometimes you might see it split in two (Nedre/Øvre Eiker), ie Lower and Upper Eiker.

Seeing Kristian Kaspersen as a pentionist is a bit strange..., a pentionist/pensjonist is a pensioner, retiree, retired person, senior citizen, senior.

In those days it would indicate that he received some kind of money from the local goverment. To receive a pension in those days was not "normal", and atleast not when you were in the 30's...

The death statement from the lensmann ("sheriff") in Eiker shows that bachelor Christian Caspersen Solbergeie died 11-11-1870, 38 years old.
A brother and two sisters was still alive. A sister Oline died 27 apr 1869. This Oline gave birth 31 mar 1869 to a son named Olaf. His father was a swedish worker in Hadeland, Johan Larsen. Olaf is christened in Nedre Eiker 06 May 1869.

This Olaf would be called Olaf Johansen, since his father was Johan... so he would be O.J..... O.J. Burros?

But he is registered in the 1875 census on Solbergeie, together with Christopher Caspersen b. 1821 and Johanne Caspersd. b. 1823. The 1875-census for Eiker, Buskerud is not online.

Jan Peter
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 01/05/2008 :  18:36:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5888&idx_id=5888&idx_listetype=dp&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-63

Dear Jan Peter. Look at #28 and tell me if there is anything there of interest? Olaf, illigitimate? fathter Christian

Edited by - Erik Carsten on 01/05/2008 20:13:20
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 01/05/2008 :  18:55:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5861&idx_id=5861&idx_listetype=uf&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-6

Also, here is a Kristoffer Solberg #26. What does the writing say about this man?

Edited by - Erik Carsten on 01/05/2008 20:11:17
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 01/05/2008 :  20:58:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jan Peter, it looks like this Kristoffer Solberg found about in Nedre Eiker got married here.....

#21
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5861&idx_id=5861&idx_listetype=vi&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-17
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 02/05/2008 :  00:16:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Jan Peter,

since the 1865 CENSUS records for Gol Hemsedal are lost....I thought maybe by looking at some of Margits neices and nephews births might give us a clue as to where she was. I am posting some links to the following children of Ole Helgesen Berg and Kari (Margit's sister) Mikkelsdatter and one child of Ole Mikkelsen and Synnov Knutsdatter. These are all neices and nephews of Margit.

Birgit B. 1-19-1856 #14http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3065&idx_id=3065&idx_listetype=dp&idx_kjonn=b&uid=ny&idx_side=-32


Ambjor B. 8-21-1861 # 36.http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3066&idx_id=3066&idx_listetype=dp&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-9

Helge B. 8-31-1864 #45....AND...
Mikkel Olsen #53 (son of Ole Mikkelsen (Margit's brother) and Synnov Knutsdatter)

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3066&idx_id=3066&idx_listetype=dp&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-19

Do you see Margit's name listed as attending the baptism or as a possible Godparent to any of these children?

Edited by - Erik Carsten on 02/05/2008 01:43:42
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 02/05/2008 :  01:33:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
here is the record of the marriage between Ole Helgesen (BERG) and KARI Mikkelsdatter (FAUSKE).....Margit's sister.....

1856 #3
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3065&idx_id=3065&idx_listetype=vi&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-9

Edited by - Erik Carsten on 02/05/2008 17:42:46
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 02/05/2008 :  01:40:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jan Peter.... I think I see Margit HERE! in 1870 for the birth of Birgit #3......the daughter of Ole Mikkelsen and Synnov Knutsdatter.....brother to Mikkel and Niece to Margit......

BIRGIT #10
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3066&idx_id=3066&idx_listetype=dp&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-34


What do you think?

Edited by - Erik Carsten on 02/05/2008 01:45:44
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 02/05/2008 :  17:32:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For the record, here is the marriage of Liv Mikkelsdatter and Ole Throndson Brandvol in 1866
#9
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3066&idx_id=3066&idx_listetype=vi&idx_kjonn=&uid=ny&idx_side=-5
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 02/05/2008 :  17:46:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Jan Peter.

One of the things I am realizing is that all of the major events of Margit's family are well documented. Everything is there. If Oluf had been born in Hemsedal I would assume he would be in the book like everybody else.
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