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Doug Rash
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 Posted - 11/09/2008 : 19:50:49
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| The only information I have is what I found in Saskatchewan. It shows a picture of my great grandmother and great grandfather, Carl and Lillian Brandvold . They did had 12 children my grandmother Caroline being one of them. They moved up from Minnisota around 1950. Some of the decedants of Carl and Lillian live in Saskatchewan and British Columbia. I was just hoping someone may recognize their names or know more. |
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Doug Rash
New on board
Canada
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Posted - 11/09/2008 : 20:46:29
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After reading a little slower I found I'd given information on one of their children.
My Great grandfather was Erland Brandvold who married Kari Hogesteun. They came from Norway to Minnesota and had 12 children who were all born in the US. They all moved to Asquith Saskatchewan in 1905. Erland died in 1933 and Kari in 1937. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2008 : 21:25:30
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Census-1900 for Blue Mounds Township, Pope, Minnesota:
S P Brandvold 42 (Erland Paulsen Brandvold, 1857-1933)
Kori Brandvold 38 (Kari Olsdatter Hagestuen, 1862-1937)
Clara Brandvold 17
Petter Brandvold 15
Martin Brandvold 13
Mima Brandvold 11
Edwin Brandvold 10
Carl Brandvold 8
Caroline Brandvold 6
Henry Brandvold 2
Alvin Brandvold 1
Selma Brandvold 1
Erland Paulsen Brandvold
Birth: 1 Dec 1857, Nord Fron, Oppland
Death: 19 Dec 1933, Asquith, Sask
Parents: Paul Erlandsen Brandvold & Kari Iversdatter
Kari Olsdatter Hagestuen
Birth: 1862, Nord Fron, Oppland
Death: 10 Aug 1937, Asquith, Sask
Parents: Ole Johannesen Hestelokken & Mari Christophersdtr Brenden
Marriage: 1880, Starbuck, Pope, Minnesota
Erland Paulsen (21) emigrated to Benson, Swift, Minnesota on June 13th, 1879.
Kari Hogestuer can be found with parents and 5 siblings in the 1880 census for Blue Mounds, Pope, Minnesota.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 01:04:41
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Hi,
These are some of the younger children in the family from Minnesota birth index online at www.mnhs.org:
Brandvold, Alice
Date of Birth: 01 Jul 1904
Mother Maiden Name: Haquestin
certid# 1904-21165
County of Birth: Pope
Brandvold, Mabel
Date of Birth: 08 Feb 1902
Mother Maiden Name: Hagestuen
certid# 1902-20051
County of Birth: Pope
Good Luck
Jackie M.
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Erik Carsten
Advanced member
USA
578 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2008 : 01:14:35
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Hi Jan Peter and Jan,
We have been studying and learning about the Fauske family for some time now. We know that my relatives farmed the North Fauske farm and they moved to the Teigen farm.
In the bydgebok they called it the fausketeigji. Can somebody explain to me why it is called this? I thought Fauske and Teigen were two separate farms?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2008 : 15:47:45
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Hi Erik,
The simple explanation is that farms in Norway have history ( a pedigree of sorts ) too. The Hemsedal slekthistorie said there were, once upon a time, two Fausko farms and now there is one. Parts of farms can be sold or traded for other parts of other farms or completely seperated (skilt, skylte fra -- same word as divorced!)into seperate places and new names given to them or not. So some farms are consolidated from other farms--sort of like the "wing of one, the leg of another" etc. combined to make a whole. My Norsk-Engelsk dictionary says teig is a strip of land, so teigen would be the strip of land, and fausketeigi may mean the strip of land at Fauske. These descriptive names are usually well understood by the local folks.
Hope this helps...
Jackie M.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2008 : 20:16:41
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Originally posted by Erik Carsten
Hi Jan Peter and Jan,
In the bydgebok they called it the fausketeigji. Can somebody explain to me why it is called this? I thought Fauske and Teigen were two separate farms?
Thank you.
Hi. Fauske and Teigen are two separate farms, as shown on the map.
Fauske was the main farm in the area, and Teigen was a small holding under Fauske.
Teigen and Fausketeigen (dialect: Fausketeigji) is the same.
Why it is called Fausketeigen is probably to distinguish the farm between the other two Teigen farms in the township.
Btw, Brandvoll are also located on the same map.
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Erik Carsten
Advanced member
USA
578 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2008 : 20:08:46
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Hi Erik,
Yes in the entry for the baptism of the half-brother Tor after Margit's name comes the statement about this being the first leiermal and I believe the next words are "reported by Ole Haelgeson Berg."
Am most curious about the familysearch.org search page. It looks as though they have redesigned the look of their home page. Was it the search engine listed on the home page your brother tried?
Jackie M.
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Hi Jackie, going back to an old post....what is the significance of the person "reporting" on another individual about an illigitimate child?
In Thor Aslaksen's case it was Ole Helgesen Berg, but also listed in the sponsors was Ole's brother, Arne and his wife.
This would seem to me to mean that the families were close to each other....... ?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/09/2008 : 04:25:23
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Hi Erik,
In most of the cases I've seen, the mother of the child "reports" the information. The reasons why a family member, in this case, an in-law would do, I don't really know.
Perhaps it is a situation similar to the "Ole" story in which he goes to his pastor and confesses that he has been sleeping with a married woman, not his wife. The pastor strives mightily to get Ole to tell the name of the woman so that she might be saved also. Ole resists the pastor, not wanting to get the woman in trouble. Finally the pastor thinks to outsmart Ole and resorts to guessing who the offender is. "Is she Mrs. Johnson?" "No" says Ole. "Is it Mrs. Larson?" "Noooo" says Ole. "Then surely it's Mrs. Swenson." "Nooooooo", Ole says. Finally, the pastor exasperated beyond measure tells Ole that he is to be punished, and is "banned" from the church for a year. As Ole leaves the church he runs into Sven. "So how did it go, then?" Sven asks. Ole says, "Well, I think. I don't have to go to church for a year and I have three new prospects!"
Pastors were also "agents" of the law, bookeepers of infractions, and so were keeping this kind of information. I suppose it might be useful to the social service agency to help keep the number of people who might need help to a minimum.
There was one woman in Hol --said to be the "most beautiful" who was the mother of 6 illegitimate children. After her last, when she was in her 40s, she was sentenced to time at Akershus. And conversely, but not symmetrically, there was a man in Hol who fathered 9 illegitimate children who did no prison time. But there must have been something uncomfortable about having an illegitimate child, even for a man, I've heard of many a man who took off for America to avoid unpleasantness when his paternity was about to be named.
Perhaps there is a sociologist which expertise in this question on the forum? Anyone???
Hilsen,
Jackie M.
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Erik Carsten
Advanced member
USA
578 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2008 : 06:49:32
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That was interesting. I guess I am asking because you used the word "ratting" for the person who reported on the mother. But it would be pretty obvious to everyone what was going on.
I just found out that one of Margit's nieces had a child in Minnesota back in 1893. At the baptism she was the only parent listed. It was sad to see....and the Priest even seemed to leave a blank spot to fill in the father's name should he ever had taken responsibility.
It struck me that I don't think I've ever seen a birth in the Norwegian Parish Records where there was only one parent listed. There was always the father and the mother....even if they weren't married. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/09/2008 : 09:39:31
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Hi Erik,
Well, there are regional and cultural and chronological differences. In a wee small parish in Switzerland where my ancesters were from from 1694 to 1870, there was only one "illegitimate" birth and the pastor made such a stink, writing in BIG letters "Vater Unbeknownst", the Norwegian norm is much more laid-back, everyone knows who the father is, don't get your knickers in a twist about it. But that usually extended to America for a generation or two as well. I know of a couple of cases from 1910 or so where the records reflect the classical Norwegian treatment. Perhaps Mom didn't want the father's name known for her own reasons or it was a criminal matter?
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
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Erik Carsten
Advanced member
USA
578 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2008 : 18:06:29
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Hi Jan Peter.
Can you locate a Iver Halvorsen immigrating to America? He was born in 1829 and according to Census information he immigrated in 1866. It could not be later than that but it could be earlier. I show that he married in Goodhue County, MN in 1866 to Sunnev Knutsdatter.
I have a copy of his marriage record here in the United States and it says GOEL, next to his name.
Which leads me to another question. His wife, Sunnev Knutsdatter was listed to be from GOL. I know she is from Hemsedal.
Is there a difference between GOEL and GOL?
Happy 1st day Autumn. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 23/09/2008 : 10:07:17
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Iver Halvorsen was born Nov 21 1829 and baptized Jan 10 1830. His parents were Halvor Bjørnsen and Birgit Guttormsdatter, Brænd, see #16
He left Gol on April 13 1866, see #57
Goel = Gol, depending on the writers choice based on pronunciation. (Another and similar difference may be for the name John: Joen = Jon)
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 23/09/2008 : 14:18:30
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Hi Erik,
Hemsedal was an "annex" or subparish to Gol for part of the 1800s. So records for Hemsedal during that period are found with Gol's records. Records prior for both Gol and Hemsedal are found under Nes Hallingdal along with Flaa. They had the same pastor. So depending on when a person left, they may have considered themselves from both places and were correct in thinking.
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
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Erik Carsten
Advanced member
USA
578 Posts |
Posted - 23/09/2008 : 17:57:37
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Eibache, can you double check the link for the birth date? I think it is not the one you intended.
I have looked for Iver Halvorsen Brend on the ships list but was not able to see him. I am wondering if he sailed on the Gustave Adolphe?
That might help explain his sudden marriage to Sunnev Knutsdatte Berg on August 12 of 1866 in Goodhue County. |
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Information on Margaret (Mickelstadther) Solberg
