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jcjens
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 Posted - 26/01/2008 : 07:38:02
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I am wondering if someone please would translate Peter Petersen's death (d. 29 Nov 1882) record at: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?uid=1350&urnread_imagesize=full&show=174#bunnen (Page 38 entry 65) and tell me what it says... if it says where he was born? On familysearch.org it says that he was born in Sweden and his daughter Kristine (maybe named Stina Kajsa?) was born 22 Sep 1855 in Fredrikstad. Since he died in Fredrikstad... if this is him... then perhaps she was born in Fredrikstad. However, I have searched extensively and have not found her birth record in the Norway parish records. I did find her in the 1900 Norway census and it says she was born in "Fredriksstad"... but without finding her baptism record I am questioning if she really was born there.
1900 NORWAY CENSUS
Census year: 1900
Municipality: Glemmen
Municipality number: 0132
Name of domicile: St. Thomas %Jean%
Name Family status Marital status Occupation Birth year Place of birth Ethnicity
Kristine Tøgersen hm e Husmor, vaskerkone 1855 Fredriksstad
Kristen P. Torstein Tøgersen s ug Arbeider ved Sagbrug 1884 Glemminge Sm
Signe Teodore Tøgersen d ug Datter 1885 Glemminge Sm
Johan Sevrin Tøgersen s ug Søn 1888 Glemminge Sm
Oskar Emanull Tøgersen s ug Søn 1890 Glemminge Sm
Marta Elise Tøgersen d ug Datter 1893 Glemminge Sm
Trygve Tøgersen s ug Søn 1896 Glemminge Sm
Also, does anyone know if there are records online of those who entered Norway from Sweden?
Thanking you in advance for any help you can offer!
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 12:03:59
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It says he is a widower, laborer and pauper, born in Sweden 12-Jul-1830. Residence now: Mørkeløkken
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 14:03:42
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An additional info - it says he was a mormon.
The Kristine Tøgersen in the 1900 census is also a mormon .
If you look up Kristine Petterse born 1855 in the LDS record it says that she was born in Fredrikstad but baptized in Alvsborg Sweden. She died May 24 1936 in Pocatello, Bannock, Id and were burried at wasatch Lawn Cemetary Salt Lake, Ut. |
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Edited by - eibache on 26/01/2008 16:29:04 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 15:49:52
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Found some of her children anyway:
Johan Severin Tøgersen, see #74
his parents are Kristen Tøgersen and Stina Pettersdatter (Peter Pettersons daughter born 1855)
Kristen Tøgersen was born in Rakkestad, see #92
he was an "uægte" child.
Signe Teodora is #124
Oscar Emanuel is #69
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Edited by - eibache on 26/01/2008 16:13:11 |
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eibache
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 16:10:08
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| You could also look up LDS for Christen Torgersen, death/burrial 1899 and get Christen and Stinas children. by searching on "family". |
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jcjens
Junior member
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 19:14:08
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THANK YOU very much for all this help!
J. Jensen |
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jcjens
Junior member
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 20:29:52
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Originally posted by eibache
Kristen Tøgersen was born in Rakkestad, see #92
he was an "uægte" child.
My question is about the mother of Kristen Tøgersen - you listed his baptism above - I have found his father's line but been unsuccessful in finding anything about his mother, Johanne Christensdtr b. abt 1832. Does his baptism record say anything other than she was from - Sanderpl - on this baptism record? Also, who and from where are his Godparents? Perhaps that will give me a clue as to where she was born and who her parents are?
Thank you again for any help you can give me!!
J. Jensen
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eibache
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Posted - 26/01/2008 : 23:29:23
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You can find a Johanne Christensdatter in the 1865 census, see here
she was then married to Tøger Christiansen and had two children. They married in 1859, see #20
Johanne was then named Johanne Marie and were born at Melleby in 1838 (She would have been 14 years when Christen was born!)
Her father was Christen Johnsen. Whether this is the right one is difficult to say, many Johanne Marie Christensdatter in Rakkestad at this time. A Johanne Marie born at Melleby in 1836 (not 1838) is #100 |
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Edited by - eibache on 27/01/2008 00:08:54 |
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jcjens
Junior member
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Posted - 27/01/2008 : 09:17:54
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"eibache" - Thank you again! I appreciate the time you have spent helping me! After looking at the above records you sent me I felt that because Johanne Christensdtr is such a common name in Rakkestad I would never find the correct person... and she would be another dead end in my tree. However, after more looking at the records that I do have and searching more... I believe I possibly have found Christen Torgersen's mother, Johanne Christensdtr. However, I need to have your expert opinion and a possible suggestion as to where to go from here...
I found on Christen's birth that one of the witnesses is "Thale Christensdtr" and I thought perhaps this could be Johanne's sister (?). I know this is a huge s t r e t c h but thought I'd see what I could find. So, I did a search on www.familysearch.org and found a Thale baptised 03 Dec 1832 Rakkestad, Ostfold, Norway, the daughter of Christen Hansen and Marthe Rasmusdtr. I found Thale is not as common a name as Johanne in Rakkestad. Then I did a parent search on "familysearch" and came up with a daughter "Inger Johanne Christensdtr" baptised 19 Nov 1826 Rakkestad, Ostfold, Norway to the same parents as Thale. Johanne being born in 1826 would be a better age to give birth to Christen (b. in 1852). Also, do you know if a middle name was ever used much in place of the first name during this time period... Johanne instead of Inger? One thing that stops me from feeling for sure she is the correct person is none of Christen's daughter's are named Inger or Johanne for that matter. Where would you suggest I go from here to prove that I have found the correct Johanne Christensdtr? Is there some little mention of a farm or something in any of these records that possibly will link this Inger Johanne as Christen Thorgersen's mother?
Thanking you again for all the great help you have given!
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eibache
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Posted - 27/01/2008 : 10:59:15
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There was at least one more Thale Christensdatter in Rakkestad, I have checked whether the parents possibly also had a Johanne, but sorry no luck
I have to say I have my doubts regarding the Inger Johanne using only Johanne as her first name.
One would think that Johanne should be at the same place as her son until he was old enough to leave her for work.
Christen was confirmed in 1866, see #15
he was then at the Uttesrud farm. |
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jcjens
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Posted - 27/01/2008 : 21:28:50
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Thank you so much for all your help!!! I appreciate the confimation info on Christen. This does confirm that the Kristen I found in the 1865 census is him! (See below)
In the 1865 census it says he is an "welfare child." I need to look at the death records... maybe his mother died?
Nummeret på postane ovanfor er ei lenke. Trykkjer du den får du nedanfor sjå garden/huset/hendinga til denne posten.
1865-telling for 0128 Rakkestad
District no. Page School distr. Local parish Parish Farm Remarks (farm) Title
514 5 135 5te Degernæs Rakkestad Utisrud 206b 1
Pers.no. Household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place Horses Cattle Sheep Pig Rye Barley Oat Potatoes
3212 22 1 Kristian Evens. Husfader Gaardbruger og Selveier g 59 m Rakkestad Prgj. 3 10 7 1 1 1 12 6
3213 23 Pernil Jensd. hans Kone g 56 k Rakkestad Prgj.
3214 24 Mathis Gunders. Tjenestekarl ug 28 m Rakkestad Prgj.
3215 25 Anne K. Hansd. Tjenestepige ug 23 k Rakkestad Prgj.
3216 26 Berte M. Eriksd. Tjenestepige ug 20 k Rakkestad Prgj.
**3217 27 Kristen Thøgers. Lægdslem ug 14 m Rakkestad Prgj.**
Thanking you again!!!
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Peter Petersen b. 12 July 1830 d. 29 Nov 1882
