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wsteeber
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 Posted - 23/02/2008 : 09:59:10
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It seems fairly certain that my great great grandmother must have boarded the steamship Hero near the end of June 1873. This would have been the first leg of her voyage to America. Did ships sailing between Norwegian ports and Hull have passenger manifests? If so, where can one examine the lists?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 10:15:10
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Here
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wsteeber
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 21:07:59
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Thank you for the help. I found that ship and checked others as well. Unfortunately I didn't discover the sisters: Anna and Martia Syversdr, and their two children. They were on the Wisconsin sailing from Liverpool to New York in July 1873. They probably sailed from Christiania to Hull, maybe in June.
Bill Steeber
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Lester Hanson
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wsteeber
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 21:43:45
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These do not seem to be my relatives. The two women were in their early 30s, and the children a toddler and 11-year old. I wonder whether they might have departed Norway from a different port.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 22:30:41
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With small children at least one of these women was married? She may have travelled under the surname (patronymic or farm) that her husband used. They would have known they'd be using the naming patterns of the new country they were going to and many made the voyage using those names already.
You can search those emigrant lists for the information of their previous residence, approximate ages, sex, marital status, given names, and perhaps even by their stated destination.
Share those informational details about the actual people you are seeking and others can also help in the search.
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wsteeber
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 23:02:37
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Martia and Anna were born in 1838 and 1842, but for them and their siblings, ages were sometimes given as two years too young. Their father was a Norwegian, born in Hof, Hedmark, and their mother was Swedish. The family spoke Norwegian and in America considered themselves Norwegian. Martia and Anna were the last of the birth family to emigrate. By 1873 both parents and all the rest of the siblings had been in America over six years.
Martia's daughter Mathea was born in 1861, but Martia had never married. Anna's marital status is unknown. Family lore says that she had a husband who was killed in an accident. Her daughter was known as Serena in the United States, and probably a toddler on this voyage. Anna also gave birth to a son, Otto during the voyage. His birthday was celebrated on 4 July.
Bill
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jwiborg
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Posted - 24/02/2008 : 00:20:58
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Census-1880 for Preston, Trempealeau, Wisconsin.
Jan Peter
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Lester Hanson
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jwiborg
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Posted - 24/02/2008 : 01:15:56
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Anna's parents are probably Syver & Carrie Stephenson from census-1880.
Syver Steffensen
Christening: 03 OCT 1813, Hof, Hedmark
Parents: Steffen Steffensen & Anne Larsdr
Farm: Juberget, Hof, Hedmark
Link
Carrie is Swedish.
It looks like these people lived in Sweden before they emigrated? Syver, Annie and Serema are all born in Sweden. Otto is born on the Atlantic.
So chances are that these people emigrated from Gothenburg.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/02/2008 : 02:45:41
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In 1900 the oldest son (seen in the 1880 US census as the first listed in the household) is still living in Preston, Trempealeau Co., Wis. The enumerator has spelled the last name as Stefenson and the given name is illegible to me. He lists his birth as May 1852 in "Swedenland" and offers that he immigrated to the US in 1867. He lists his father as having been born in Norway and mother in Sweden.
Source: US National Archives microfilm Series: T623 Roll: 1819 Page: 312.
1910 US census he is still in Preston and his name is spelled like Sever Steffenson. Once again, he is born Sweden, father born Norway, mother born Sweden and immigration year of 1867. Oh, and he is a farmer and lists that he owns his farm rather than renting.
I was trying to find Otto in later US censuses than the 1880 but haven't found him yet in Wisconsin. I would like to see what he listed as his birthplace and the birthplaces of his mother and father in those listings. |
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 24/02/2008 : 02:48:07
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Jan, your searching talent is strictly amazing
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wsteeber
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Posted - 24/02/2008 : 03:18:29
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The family on the US side is exactly correct - the one in Preston Village, Trempealeau WI. All 7 siblings were born in Sweden, practically on the border with Norway, although the elder Syver and Karin lived briefly in Norway. Later, all moved to Norway, a few at a time, the parents and youngest being the last to go in 1865. (The eldest, Martia, returned to her parents for a while to give birth to her daughter Mathea.)
They all emigrated to the US from Norway, except for a daughter that died in Norway. The father emigrated in 1866, landing at Quebec on 30 Aug. Karin and three offspring landed at Quebec 22 May 1867.
The younger son, Otto, died in 1872, and daughter Johanna in 1880, The elder son became head of family in 1880 and the parents died in the very early 1890s. The son remained in WI as did the oldest daughter. The others went to MT and ND/MN.
I do not know whether Syver Olsen is the father of Serena. We do know however that both Serena and Otto (born on the ship) took the surname of Olson.
Thanks to all of you for your comments.
Bill
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Hopkins
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Posted - 24/02/2008 : 14:16:43
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Bill - In your earlier posting you stated these women and children had been located on the ship Wisconsin arriving New York 1873. The Wisconsin was a ship of the Guion Line that for many years was fairly exclusively contracted to bring Mormon emigrants to the US.
Did you find them listed on the LDS CD entitled "Mormon Immigration Index"?
Before 1884 those emigrants often did not take a passage from Oslo/Christiania to Hull according to the following article -
The gathering to Zion
If they had taken other transportation to join a group in Copenhagen or another gathering place then it might explain why we can't find them listed on the Emigrant Protocols for Oslo/Christiania. |
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wsteeber
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Posted - 24/02/2008 : 19:09:39
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Very interesting, and thank you. The family was of course Lutheran, but also quite poor. Joining the Mormon group may have worked for them. I'll be studying the other possibilities.
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Hopkins
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Posted - 24/02/2008 : 20:54:10
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| Later this week I'll be at my nearest LDS Family History Center and I know that they have a copy of the CD "Mormon Immigration Index". I'll try to remember to check it to see if those persons are listed - and if any other information might be listed there. It might not be much - but I'll try to check it. |
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Passenger List for Passage to Hull
