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Holly
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jwiborg
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 Posted - 20/03/2008 : 01:51:01
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Yes. Link
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Holly
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 03:29:25
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Thank you! Nother database to play with!
I thought the big databases for the fylke were built from all of the parish databases, so searching the parish death DB would be pointless. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 06:55:21
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I assume the marriage record is 20 Søndag Trefold
and you find it translated in LDS records for Torstein Johannesen on the Lomheim farm and the wife Kirsten Olsdatter with parents Ole Beums and Lukretsia von Krogh. |
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Holly
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 09:36:43
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I didn't have her parents, nor do I have his. Finding an approximate birthdate was supposed to help me find their parents, but they seem to have been born before the earliest parish records. Before finding her death record, I couldn't find anything with his patrynomic.
Beum, Lukretsia & the German surname fit right in with the family group. Their oldest daughter was named Lucrise & she lived at Beum. Their son Anders married Christine Ørbech Adamsdatter-Reitz (Reutz, Reus) & there's a ton of info availabe about her family, some of it conflicting, so I'm trying to build with primary sources first. Some records use the patrynomic, some use surnames & some have a combination of both. Sorting through the Rumohrs & Munthes makes me wanna pull my hair out. |
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eibache
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 13:02:56
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Tosten Almes son Jens baptized in 1742, see the #4
from the top.
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Holly
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 15:19:36
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The DB that I found his baptism on says the date he was baptised was March 25th. How they decifered that date from a mess that looks more like ?aa, Lr-Dag... I've no idea.
Lucrise Tostensd was baptised on 2 Dec 1744-Hafslo Pg 51 (1717-1755)
If I wasn't looking by a known date, there's no way that I would have found it.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11455&idx_id=11455&uid=ny&idx_side=-52
Anna Tostensd was baptised on 4 Nov 1747-Hafso (1717-1755) Pg 59
Johannes Tostens was baptised on 29 Mar 1750-Hafso (1717-1755) Pg 63
Anders Tostens was baptised on 24 Jul 1757 - Hafslo (1755-1806) Pg 26
and Bergittha / Bertha Tostend was baptised on 9 Apr 1761 - Hafslo (1755-1806) Pg 47-48
I found it easier to find the baptisims by date than trying to find them via their names.
There's another Anne, around 1754, but I haven't found the exact date or the record yet. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 15:55:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Holly
The DB that I found his baptism on says the date he was baptised was March 25th. How they decifered that date from a mess that looks more like ?aa, Lr-Dag... I've no idea.
It reads Paaske-dag (Easter Sunday), which in 1742 was on March 25th.
In the listing above, you'll see Maria Bebudelse-dag ("Lady day") which is also on March 25th.
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Holly
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 16:33:42
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So now I need an ancient church calendar too? LOL
I assume Maria Bebudelse is the Virgin Mary. For someone who's not Roman Catholic, trying to remember all of the feasts for her is near impossible. I assume "Lady Day" stays March 25th on the church calendar, right? |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 16:50:26
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| If you are interested the witnesses at Lucritias baptism was Giert Munthe, Jorgen Beum and Ane Munthe. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 17:04:39
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quote:
Originally posted by Holly
So now I need an ancient church calendar too? LOL
I assume Maria Bebudelse is the Virgin Mary. For someone who's not Roman Catholic, trying to remember all of the feasts for her is near impossible. I assume "Lady Day" stays March 25th on the church calendar, right?
Maria Bebudelse can be translated into Mary's Annunciation.
Virgin Mary is Jomfru Maria in Norwegian. But yes; we're talking about the same woman.. 
The Annunciation.
Actually, if you want to decipher the dates from the 1700's Norwegian churchbooks, you would need an ancient church calendar! You can find several online.
Because many christening records from those days are just named "1st Sunday after Easter", "2nd Sunday after Easter", "Quinquagesima Sunday" "Ascension Day", "Trinitatis", "1st Sunday in Advent" etc etc..
Then you'll need the calendar to find the exact date.
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Holly
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 17:40:07
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Originally posted by eibache
If you are interested the witnesses at Lucritias baptism was Giert Munthe, Jorgen Beum and Ane Munthe.
Thank you. I had Ane Munthe, but couldn't figure out the other two. A baptismal witness for one of their great-granddaughters was the lead that helped me put together the Reutz connection.
I couldn't begin to decifer the witnesses for Jens (the link you provided)
For Anne, 4 Nov 1747, I have Neils Lomem, Peder ?, Lars ? &
Gro
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For Johannes, 29 Mar 1750, I have Iver Veng?m, Anders Johannsen, Anne Vengom, Agaata Johannesdatter
Link
Still haven't found the record for the second Anne Cir 1754 (I think it may have been lost in a shuffle of pastors for the parish)
For Anders, 24 Jul 1757, I have ??, Iver ?, Rasmus Lille ?ten, Sivert Alme, Anne Alme & Karen Molland
Link
And, for Bergittha / Bertha 9 Apr 1761, I have ?, Ole Alme, Mette Dorthea Johnsd?, Gertrud? Wen?, Syllia Lombim?
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 19:38:06
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For Anne, 4 Nov 1747, Niels Lomem, Peder Ocleviigen, Lars i Kalhagens Gm.
For Johannes, 29 Mar 1750, Iver Vengom, Anders Johannesen, Anne Vengom, Agauta Johannesdatter.
For Anders, 24 Jul 1757, ??, Iver Wengum, Rasmus Lille Baten, Sivert Alme, Anne Alme, Karen Molland.
For Bergittha / Bertha 9 Apr 1761, Ougund Alme, Ole Alme, Madme (Madame) Mette Dorothea Sweder, Jertrud Wengum, Sisilia Lomeim.
Farms in Hafslo are:
Botnen,
Lommeim (or Lomheim),
Kalhagen,
Molland,
Venjum |
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Holly
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 19:52:49
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Those are some places that I haven't seen before. I've tended to fill in places that I can't quite read as "my people" expand. Someone marries into "the family" & I try to find their parents. With their parents, I might siblings, so when I see a name as a witness to a baptism, I may already have some information about that person.
You've been so very helpful & I appreciate it! |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 21:01:43
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Anne: Peder Ochlevigen. There is no "Gro". It's an abbreviation.
Johannes: Ivar Vengom, Anna Vengom, Agaata Johannesdatter ("correct" spelling would be Agatha/Agathe)
Anders: Iver Wengum, Rasmus Lille Baten, Sivert Alme, Anne Alme, Karen Molland
Bergittha: Ougund (Augund) Alme, Ole Alme, Mette Dorothea Schveder, Jertrud Wengium, Sisilia Lomeim
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Holly
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Posted - 20/03/2008 : 21:02:18
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I've also seen Lommeim (or Lomheim) as Lomen, Lomem & Lomemb, least I think those are all the same place. lol
I was leaning toward "Madme (Madame) Mette Dorothea Schreder (Schroeder), but then I found this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was a Mette Dorthea married to the pastor in Hafslo with the surname of "Schweder" around the time of the baptism. |
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Kristi Alme (Hafslo) SF- Help with Parish record
