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kseverson
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Canada
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 Posted - 07/04/2008 : 20:03:58
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My Grandfather left Bergen 11 july 1901 bound for either the US or Canada. Can anyone help me find the ship name or passenger list for departures that day. He changed his name in the US to Louis Severson from Lars Sjursen, he was born in Leikanger in 1881.
My Great Granmother Kristine Larsen left Bergen 2 april 1903 on a prepaid ticket to Minnesopta. Can anyone help me track down this ship or passenger list.
Would these voyages have been direct or via the UK? I have tried all the internet sources I can find and nothing shows up. I have information for later years from the US and Canada but can't track the arrivals. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 21:24:26
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Lars Skursen Njøs (20) from Leikanger, Sogn & Fjordane, left Bergen on July 11th, 1901, with a feeder ship belonging to the White Star Line.
It took him to Hull, England where he probably took the train to Liverpool.
Lars Njos (19) departured from Liverpool on July 17th, and arrived New York on July 25th, 1901, with the ship S/S Teutonic, belonging to the White Star Line.
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kseverson
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Canada
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 21:44:54
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Thank you very much. I have been able to find the ship's manifest. It lists his residence as Gasgen. This location does not come up in a search for towns. Do you know where this is?
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 21:50:46
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"Gasgen" is a transcription error..., it reads Bergen if you take a look at the original manifest... 
Lars' residence was Leikanger, but it looks like everybody who departured from Bergen has been listed with last residence = Bergen. The manifest was made up in Liverpool, and they all came with the same feedership from Bergen.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 07/04/2008 22:14:14 |
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Lester Hanson
Advanced member
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 21:51:48
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Here is a strange co-incidence. Lars Sjursen's name appears as a friend to Ananias Vellanger, who arrived on the Saxonia 24 May 1906 in Boston. Ananias was going to Lyle, Minnesota to see Lars.
Here is the data:
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
Name: Ananias Vellanger
Arrival Date: 24 May 1906
Age: 20 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: norwegian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Saxonia
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Lars Sjursen
Last Residence: Norway
Microfilm Roll Number: 94
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kseverson
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Canada
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 22:06:08
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Amazing. We know he changed his name to Louis Severson but not when.
We know that he brought his mother in 1903 and that she died in Adams in 1905 her name is recorded as Christina Larsen. We know she was born as Kristine Larsdatter Njos in Leikanger in 1857. Her parents were Lars Thommasjen Njos and Kari Olsdatter Aaroen.
Lyle Minnesota is in the same county as Adams. Mower County.
He did not marry until 1917 to Mabel Dahlen from Dahlen North Dakota. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 22:09:51
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quote:
Originally posted by kseverson
My Great Granmother Kristine Larsen left Bergen 2 april 1903 on a prepaid ticket to Minnesopta. Can anyone help me track down this ship or passenger list.
Kresters l Njos b 1859 [Kristine Sofie Larsen Njøs] arrived Boston, Massachusetts on April 19th, 1903, with the ship S/S Mayflower, belonging to The Dominion Line.
Keistine Njos b. 1881 [Kristine Pedersdtr Njøs] from Leikanger, arrived with the same ship.
S/S Mayflower left from Liverpool.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 07/04/2008 22:28:19 |
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kseverson
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Canada
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 22:30:29
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I can't believe finding all of this information, super thanks very much.
I believe it is Kristine Sofie Larsen Njos, in a recent communication from Yngve Nedrebø Statsarkivet Bergen thjis information was provided---
Lars Sjursen and Kristine Larsdtr Njos
Lars Sjursen Njøs, born 1881, emigrated from Bergen July 11, 1901:
1901 11/7 Lars Skursen Njøs 20 1881 m Leikanger Leikanger ug Søn af Gbr. Stjerne Ja
Kristine Sofie Larsdatter Njøs, born 1857, left Bergen April 2, 1903 bound for Minnesota on a prepaid ticket:
1903 2/4 Kristine Sofie Larsen Njøs 46 1857 f Leikanger ug Tjeneste-pige Dominion p.p. Ja Minn.
Kristine Sofie was a female servant, and unmarried, at the time of her emigration from Norway. It seems little reason to doubt that this is the same Christine Soffie, born in Leikanger 1857, and the daughter of Lars Thomassen Njøs and Kari Olsdatter Aarøen.
I had asked about the birth year as 1857 and 1859 both appear but seems like the 1857 is correct. I have her smallpox vaccination record.
The other Njos I am not aware of, the birth year is the same as my Grandfather. We believe he brought his Mother over alone.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 22:53:13
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Christine Sophie Larsen
Birth: 31 OCT 1856
Christening: 23 NOV 1856, Leikanger, Sogn Og Fjordane
Parents: Lars Thomassen & Kari Olsdr
Lars Sjursen Njøs is born 22 Oct 1881 (born out of wedlock)
Parents: Sjur Sjursen Njøs & Kristine Larsdatter
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kseverson
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 23:10:06
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Most definitely the same person, my Great Grandmother but there are now 3 different birthdates.
Her vaccination certificate is in Norwegian of course and is dated 6 october 1857 spelling of name is Christine Soffie.
Is it possible to get a copy of her christening record?
Lars Sjursen Njos is correct, his father Sjur Sjursen left Norway 6 months before he was born. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2008 : 23:16:15
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Her birthdate is October 31, 1856. She was vaccinated at the age of 1.
Christening record #62
Source: Sogn og Fjordane county, Leikanger, Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1852-1868), Birth and baptism records 1857, page 29.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 23:27:49
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quote:
Originally posted by kseverson
Most definitely the same person, my Great Grandmother but there are now 3 different birthdates.
You should always take the year of birth with a pinch of salt..., especially when it comes to census'es and emigration records.
A common rule is to estimate at least +/-1 year, so if someone is listed as born 1857, you should expect 1856-1858.
I haven't seen the S/S Mayflower manifest, but I'm quite sure it doesn't list her birth year. It probably list her (given) age, and then her birth year has been calculated based on the arrival year and her age.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 07/04/2008 23:42:37 |
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kseverson
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Posted - 07/04/2008 : 23:35:32
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The help you are providing is absolutely amazing! Is it possible to find the christening record for my Grandfather? Lars Sjursen Njos born :
Lars Sjursen Njøs is born 22 Oct 1881 (born out of wedlock)
Parents: Sjur Sjursen Njøs & Kristine Larsdatter |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2008 : 23:40:25
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Very poor quality (out of focus), but record #65 here
Christening: 27 NOV 1881, Leikanger, Sogn Og Fjordane
Source: Sogn og Fjordane county, Leikanger, Parish register (official) nr. A 9 (1869-1888), Birth and baptism records 1881, page 59.
The underlined word in the 5th column reads uægte, which is norwegian for illegitimate child, ie. born out of wedlock.
Btw; his mother Christine Sophie was also born out of wedlock...
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kseverson
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 01:23:34
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Obviously fascinating information. Do records go beyond the generation of Christine Sophie's parents?
Interesting to me that the fathers were listed on the birth record even though they were not married to the mother.
We are not aware of any siblings of Lars so with both he and his Mother and his Father having left Norway there are no modern day relatives.
There must be some record of his Father in the USA but I'm not sure that is traceable with the little information that we have.
Once again you have been enormously helpful, these are things my family has wondered about for decades.
Do these parish churches still exist or was it just a parish record not necessarily tied to a church? |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 08/04/2008 : 03:46:55
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The LDS library catalog lists that Leikanger parish records are available for years as early as 1690.
The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005.
The Digitalarkivet web site - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
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