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Holly
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 Posted - 09/04/2008 : 23:05:22
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Thank you! Sorry I was so block headed to everything you've been sending my way.
According to the source of the photo, this is Peder O. Selseng, son of Kristi Nilsdatter & Ole Pedersen Selseng
Ole Pedersen Selsing & his family in America. |
Edited by - Holly on 09/04/2008 23:45:39 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 23:53:53
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Great pictures, Peder Selseng looked very equal to his father.
I also think the Lærdal track is right.
The method of elimination and more records can be useful in finding Christi Nilsdatter.
What is written in the pharantesis in Peders birth record from Sogndal .....Af Offerdalen i Leirdals prestgjeld (:.....2nd....:) #37
Peder Olsen Selseng confirmation was on June 26. 1842 #20
His father Ole Pedersen Selseng, wife and 5 children em. to America in 1844. Sogndal 1839-1847 official page 248 right page 14-18.
In 1865 Peder was married to Anna Olsdr, two children, three servant and possible former owner Kari age 60 on Selseng.
The solution is pehaps kept in these books
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Kåarto
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 00:25:11
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Selseng is located to a small valley named Sogndalsdalen not fare from Sogndal parish.
Selseng has cabins for let.
Perhaps the owner has some information?
Peder Olsen Selseng still lived in 1900 as "Føderaadsmand" former owner of Selseng.
His son Ole Pedersen owned the farm now, married and four children 1900
Looks like Peder was married a 2. time to Ragnhild Johannesdatter?
Selseng is first time metioned in 1666 as Selsseng and means the houses on a summer cabin/pasture with grazing land
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Holly
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 01:09:35
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I thought that the photos were of the same man, the resemblence is so amazing!
Translation of letters from the Selsings in Norway to the Selsings in by O.H.H.
Selsing, January 3rd, 1897
Dear Father, Grandfather and Families:
It is a long time now since we have written a letter, so it may be well that we refresh our memories of each other. We will therefore take a little time to refresh your memory about us.
We have here these days the comfort and pleasure of some issues of the "Decorah Posten" in which we read about your party for out old father and grandfather, also about your "Veisen Hus" party. Both of these articles were very interesting to us. It perhaps showed us how your lived an conducted yourselves better than a letter would have.
It stirred us with a heartfelt gladness when we read about lt.. Yes, it gladdened us to hear about your luck and honor and that you have control in your mind and faculties in your high old age and it also gladdens us greatly that now when you are nearing the end of your pilgrims wandering, you can look beck upon your life with thanks and praise to cur Heavenly Father for all His grace and mercy in this life and with joy can look ahead to the fulfilling of that glorious heavenly hope.
Yes, therefor, God be thanked, along with His Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord. We would have liked to have been with you at your homelike party, but hope that God in His mercy will prepare us for the great meeting at our Lord and Savior's return, and that we may with gladness see each other before His Judgment seat.
Then will the pain of parting soon be forgotten.
All of us, both big and small, are God-be-thanked, quite healthy. I, Ole Pedersen, have three children; one girl and two boys, Anna, Peder and Nils. Our parents are healthy and tend their cattle every day and also do the other work. Yes, Father is still so active that he often rides with me on the farm. This winter he fills his 70 years. This year we had a very good harvest of all the crops we raised, which were mostly hay, a little barley and potatoes.
On our farm we feed fourteen milk cows (four of which belong to father) four young cattle, forty sheep and three or four horses. We do not use twigs and bark shavings to feed our cattle now. We have raised a great deal on our farm, and like you, we have had a very hard winter. I see you have a machine for everything. I have purchased a mowing machine but I can only mow about half of the hay with it. Times are getting worse here, with poor prices for All of the farmers products. In closing, I send you and your children and families the most heartfelt greetings from your son and grandson and family.
Yours,
Ole P. Selsing
(grandson)
Selsing, April 1. 1900
Dear Brother:
It is a long time now since we have heard anything from you. We therefor, often think of you and how you live. This life is so uncertain that we must realize we have nothing sure to rely on, besides what we are and have through the Lord's mercy.
It is just about a year ago now since we last wrote to you. Our health has been up and down and since last summer at haying time, I have off and on had trouble with my feet. It is a trouble I have had almost from my youth, and since last summer has been real bad, and sometimes has kept me in bed. You can understand that it has hindered me greatly in my work. My wife is healthy, as are our children and their families. In both Ole's and Anna's families, there are now four children. Kristi is unmarried and is still at home.
Yes, how do you live now? Is our old father still alive We often take your pictures down from the wall so we can look at your faces. That is for us a constant dear reminder of you, but we wish it had been made better, a little clearer. Your photographs have not been of the best. It gladdens us a great deal that we at last have the chance to send you our pictures. We look somewhat alike and we notice that the sun shone in our eyes and made us look a little cross. It was very nice to see each other's faces that way, but it would have been still better if we could have visited each other and talked, though we know that is an impossibility. Let us therefore remember each other with one and another letter.
Around here the old people are quite well, but there has been a lot of sickness and many deaths. Last summer, Johannes Gunvordal's wife died, and the youngest son of Ole Fladtland also. Now this winter the oldest son of Ole Fladtland died. He was about 18 years old. That is surely no small trial in so short a time. This winter many old people have died. Among them are Kristoffer Eggun (or Skaare Kristoffer) and Kristen Fritland. All this reminds us about the shortness of our earthly life and that we do not have our future life here.
May our lamps never Lack oil when we go to meet the Bridegroom. Herewith a loving greeting to our father and to all your sisters and brothers and families.
From your Peder 0. Selseng and Children.
(son of Old Man Selsing)
Selsing, April 20, 19O2
Dear Brother and Family:
A heartfelt thanks for your letter and also for the pictures which we have now received. It was more than pleasant to see your children. Yes, we can say that it was a regular festival with us when we opened the package of pictures and we have had to look at them time after time, as 10 children in one place, with one missing yet, is absolutely wonderful. Yes, a very great blessing from God to be trusted to bring us such a big flock of children, all healthy, big, fine looking folks. Perhaps, some of them have established families of their own? It would be very interesting to know a little about that. Your kindness and interest makes us more curious to know more about how you and your families live.
Yes, if it were possible, we would like to have pictures and the same descriptions of our sisters' families also. Though that may be too much to ask. We must be thankful, because we have you all here or. our wall under glass and frame. It contributes quite a lot to the comfort of our home. It makes us feel as if we were more closely connected that way. The picture which your house is on must have been taken a while ago, as we see your children were small at that time. But it was interesting just the same. So thanks you shall have for all, but it is true we would like a picture of the boy who is missing if it is possible.
It was with much sympathy that we heard about your sickness. It must have been a hard blow when you lost your eye, but it gladdens us that today we can thank God for everything, even for discipline that our body has to take.
We are, God-be-thanked, healthy and keep busy with our work, We have had a somewhat rough stormy winter with a lot of snow and it looks as if spring will be late. The snow still lays deep. It is with both gladness and wonder that we see that our father is still alive, and is still able to read and we thank God that he feels the need to daily refresh himself with the words of Life that are mighty, to make our souls blest. Yes, might it be with us all; that even if the outer man is impaired, the inner man must be renewed from day to day. Greet him heartily from all of us. Also tell him that Old Ingeborg Larsdatter Hyllekve died just under 105 years old. She was the wife of Arne Hyllekve. Old Ingebrigt and Synneva Gurvin are still living. Lastly, to you all, the most hearty greeting from us and our family. Our daughter Anna had a little daughter again this winter. They now have five small children, all of them healthy. Ole also has five children. Kristi is at home.
Yours,
Peder O. Selseng
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Holly
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 01:58:27
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Selseng has cabins for let.
Perhaps the owner has some information?
I came across that site to Selseng rental cabins before I found out about Peder O & his family & thought that the people there now would probaly have no connection. I didn't want to be a pest. There are more pictures of "Selsengs" at the site where I got that photo of Peder O & think it would be kind of cool to see if I can find a family link to any of them. I also found Selseng on a map. so know its general location.
Kåre, the books at Dis-Norge will probably not help me much, as the English option over there doesn't provide translations of content |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 10:27:56
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A touching letter Holly.
I agree, these books will probably not be to any help if someone cant make a look up for you.
Christi Nilsdatter birth record should be found, the question is where to look.
I think perhaps we has to enter Årdal municipality north-west of Lærdal which was seperated from Lærdal in 1860 where Offerdal is located, see down page Here and the picture here.
Neil Hofland, enter Sogn & Fjordane, is willing to make lookups in the "Bygdebok" from Årdal
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Kåarto
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 12:28:20
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Quite a sight seeing in inner Sognefjorden to find her, well internet is comfortabe to travel with and now its back to were it all started, top page one and Offerdal, also see page two:
A summary:
Christi/Kristi Nilsdatter was born Oct. 2. 1795, bap at home Oct. 5 and in Borgund stave church Oct. 18.
Parents: Nils Hansen and Sønneve Olsdr, right page 4. from top
Indre (Inner)Offerdal 1801.
Tenant farmers Nils Hansen and Sønneve Olsdr with four children
I am not surpriced Kristi is not mentioned, censuses has often mistakes, and her confirmatin show a wrong age.
The same happened on my gggrandfather Jens (b. 1798) confirmation in Sauherad in Telemark, he was almost 20 but the priest wrote 15 years.
Christi/Kristi married on July 21. 1840 to Johannes Johannesen in Sogndal. Kristi was born 1795 on Offerdal in Lærdal
The same record from the church book 1840 show her born in Offerdal in Leirdal age 45, now living in Sogndalsfjøra and her father as Nils Hansen, top left page.
Johannes was a "Strandsitjar", he rented a farm near the coast line in Sogndalsfjøra
The 1865 census for Sogndal show her as a widow and a servant on farm Fladland in Stedje in Sogndal
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Edited by - Kåarto on 10/04/2008 16:31:02 |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 13:27:05
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The Sogndal bygdebok is described in the LDS Family History Library catalog online.
That volume of Sogndal bygdebok by Per Sandal (pub. 1986) is available through the Inter-Library Loan Program and on the shelves of at least 5 or 6 libraries in the US. I'm not sure that it contains any detailed histories of the various area farms but may be a general history of the area, especially before 1800 and was intended as the first in a planned series about that district.
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eibache
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 14:14:35
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| Summaries may be in order, but most of the info today was listed yesterday together with other infos. |
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eibache
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 21:15:57
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According to the 1801 census from Offerdahl Indre Nils and Sønneve should have a son Ole 10 years old. He was not born in Aardal. I found him in Sogndal, see the first baptism from the top, left hand page here
he was baptized April 22 (Good Friday) 1791 and Niels and Syneve was at Staveteig.
Looking for the marriage of Niels and Syneva I found another Ole (who possibly died before 1791) see baptism on X-mas day 1789 #2 from the top on right hand page here
Niels and Syneva is now at the Uglum farm.
Since this was in Stedje I found Synneve baptized Aug 9 1761, see the third from the top in left column, right hand side here
her parents were Ole Ingebrigtsen and Agaathe Johansdatter Qvam.
(interesting godparents by the way)
Furthermore I found the engagement between Niels Hansen Ugle Unge Karl and Synneve Olsdater Ugle Pige was Oct 10 1789, see second couple on left hand page here
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Kåarto
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Posted - 10/04/2008 : 23:09:02
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Søneve Olsdatter died 1803 in Aardal:
1. page 10. from bottom
Søneve Olsd: Aardalstangen, Offerdal d: 2. Dec. gl. 43 aar (age 43)
Widower Niels Hansen married 2. time in 1807 to Martha Ericksdatter Hovlund.
Wedding March 15. Feb. 1. Engement in Aardalstangen for widower Niels Hansen Indre Offerdal and maid Martha EricksDatter Hovlund:
Best men: Lieutenant Falch and Jørgen Hansen. 1. page 2. from top
Lieutenant Melchior Falch was the owner of Indre Offerdal.
Jørgen Hansen was sheriff and lease holder without land under Aardal Vicarage.
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Holly
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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 00:20:15
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(interesting godparents by the way)
You mean Madame Mette Heiberg, right?
I mentioned a connection to people with surnames instead of patrynomic names in a previous thread. The mother of Tosten Andersen of Alme was Kirsti Ørbech Adamsdatter Reutz. The sponsors of her baptism in Luster on 11 Aug 1763 were; Captain Thomas von Knough, Madame Daae, Madame Munthe og ? & Abel von Krog E.
Her mother was Karen Munthe Clausdatter Rumohr & she's either the granddaugher or great granddaughter of Ludvig Munthe, the 5th or 6th Lutheran Bishop of Bergen. I haven't filled in my DB back that far, cuz I'm trying to tidy up all of loose ends of the later generations first.
I think that the wife of Tosten Andersen Alme (Ragnild Johannesdatter of Hundere, born about 1785) may have an earlier family connection to him, but I can't find a birth record for her. She died in her mid-twenties & the netto in her will was over two thousand dollars, a whole lot of money in those days.. I think her father outlived her, but I can't find anything to prove that. He's shown as Johannes Johannsen in her engagement announcement, but he may have a surname that was used in other records, just as I came across when I was looking for the family of Adam Reutz, who was a "Hansen" btw.
When I was working on later generations from an early line (I usually go to at least 3rd cousins, because people seem to "marry back in"), I came across a family that had shown children with the father living at all of the following locations, Uglum, Teigen, Valeberg, Amle, Skjeldestad, Fimreite & none of the children showed up as born outside of the marriage in the index of the DB. I'm thinking wow, they sure moved around a lot. Looking at the fine print, baptism for daughter Marie Torbiørnsdatter born at Amle has the following... Dpt.: Kr.Nitter. Far: Peder Hjermann Kjørlaug, mor: Mette Marie Fuhr. Torbiørn Knudsen & Kristi Hansdatter had 7 children baptised as their own, but some of those kids were not born to them.
That sponsor in the BP record that you gave me says that the serving girl from Offerdahl may have a family connection somewhere up the line. Thank you! |
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