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Holly
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 Posted - 08/04/2008 : 23:49:50
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Originally posted by jwiborg
This one?
# 80
Source: Sogn og Fjordane county, Vik, Parish register (official) nr. A 6 (1821-1831), Birth and baptism records 1828, page 89-90.
Jan Peter
That looks like the one. I swear, I looked through that book. Priest that writes downhill (so the last sponsors for the record above it look like the parents) & underlined the names of all of the children born outside of marriage, cept the one that I was looking for threw me for a loop. It doesn't say anything about two previous children for her, does it? grumble grumble |
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Holly
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 00:24:22
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Originally posted by Hopkins
Quick question -- if you haven't found the birth/baptismal record for Ole (1828) then where did the dates come from?
Reliable source?
You mean Johannes? I haven't combed through everything from the source that I got it from, so don't know how reliable it is. It's possible the people who compiled the CD on the family got the date for the baptism from a death record for him on this side of the ocean.
The baptisms for all of the other children have proven to be correct, as is the marriage date & the date of the emigration record.
They have my Ole Pedersen in the DB twice, with one of them showing all of the children (one was in duplicate) here and the other Link with some of the children missing.
I have the 1850 census of the family in Christiana, Dane County & Johannes should have been with them if he emigrated with them. Martha, Peder & Ragnild were all with their parents, as was a 14 year old Trond Siursen. Doubtful they'd have their own 14 year old son farmed out, replacing him with another familiy's 14 year old son.
The discovery (for me) of the son Peder who stayed behind in Norway opened up the possiblity of a direct connection to Johannes as well, though there is no way he could be a child of Ole *and* Ragnhild, as she gave birth to a daughter the same year he was baptised & if they were twins, they would have been baptised on the same day. |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 00:49:39
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I was posting my question in reponse to your last sentence in the posting just above mine -
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The oldest child of Endre Olssen & Christi Nielsdatter, Ole was born out of wedlock on 22.10.1828, Døypt den 2/11-1828. Hopperstad sokn. & I can't find the record.
That's why I listed "Ole (1828)" as part of the question.
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Holly
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 01:31:16
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Originally posted by Hopkins
I was posting my question in reponse to your last sentence in the posting just above mine -
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The oldest child of Endre Olssen & Christi Nielsdatter, Ole was born out of wedlock on 22.10.1828, Døypt den 2/11-1828. Hopperstad sokn. & I can't find the record.
That's why I listed "Ole (1828)" as part of the question.
Ahhh! I got that data at Fylkesarkiv.no. Search results from there don't work here, so I couldn't do a link to the record. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 13:34:08
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"Ungkarl og Landvern" Bachelor and Soldier in the local militia Endre Olsen Hopperstad age 27 and maid Christi Nilsdatter age 22 from Vange married in Hopperstad church on June 10. 1829 #11.
Hopperstad in Vik 1865:
Endre Olsen and Kristi Nilsdatter, 5 children and two servants on Hove
Christi Nilsdatter was born on farm Vange in Vik parish 1806, right page, bap Nov. 3, parents Nils Pedersen Wange and Agata Arnesdatter
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Edited by - Kåarto on 09/04/2008 14:34:10 |
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eibache
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 16:37:41
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Topic Peder Olsen Selseng
(He was born out of wedlock to (bachelor?) Ole Pedersen Selseng (something) & unmarried woman Christi Nielsdatter from Offerdalen in Leirdals (a parith in SF) ????..(2nd child born out of wedlock to her?) Comments in last column, father's 3rd what?)
Ole Pedersen Solseng and Christi Nielsdatter af Offerdal i Leirdal Prgj. at Solseng had Peder March 18 1827 (His 1.leiermål, hennes 2. Leiermål)
I assumed the challenge here was to find who Ole Pedersen and Christi Nielsdatter were.
If this was the challenge how do these two come into the picture?
Endre Olsen Hopperstad and Christie Nielsdatter Vange af Hopperstad had Ole Oct 22 1828 (Første leiermål for begge)
Endre Olsen Vik Hopperstad 1802 married Kristi Nilsdatter Vik Vange 1807 June 10 1829
Am I a little bit retarded since I don’t see the connection?
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Edited by - eibache on 09/04/2008 19:18:36 |
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Holly
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 16:59:02
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In my opinion, she looks like the best candidate for Peder Olsen Selseng's mother, despite the differences & distances in parishes.
The older children in the list of baptisms at Vange (Wange) to Niels Pedersen & Agotha Arnesdatter in the list that I posted earler can be confirmed in the 1801 census at Wange Here
Her older sister Kari's marriage to Johannes Olsen at Øvredahl in 1820 is Here.
Going away to a sister's house for the birth wouldn't be unheard of, so could easly explain Peder's birth at "Offerdahl"... I think. The birth record says that she was at Offerdahl in *Leirdahls* Parish.
In Oluf Rygh I find no gaards starting with an "O" in Lærdal & for "Ø" there are only:
Lærdal Hauge Øie 28
Lærdal Tønjum Øvregaard 17
Lærdal is to the south east of Sogndahl, while Vik is to the west.
She would have been about 21 when Peder Olsen was born on March 18, 1827. The birth record says the child was the 2nd for her & at 21 she would have been old enough for Peder to be her second child.
The marriage record that you gave to me Kåre (cool picture of the church), says she was 22 when she married in 1829, so that's a fit. The birth record for the first son of that couple was on October 22, 1828, long enough between his birth & the birth of Peder Olsen in March, 1827. |
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Holly
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 17:17:22
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[i]I assumed the challenge here was to find who were Ole Pedersen and who were Christi Nielsdatter.
If this was the challenge how do these two come into the picture?
I know who Ole Pedersen of Selseng is. He's my GGGrandfather. Peder Olsen of Selseng was his child, born out of wedlock before Ole Pedersen married Ragnilde Tostensdatter of Alme in 1831. Peder grew up at Selsing & stayed in contact with his paternal family after they emigrated to the US in 1844.
The challenge is to find Peder's mother, Chrisi of "Offerdahl" in Laerdahl Parish. There is no Offerdahl in Laerdahl Parish. There is no Overdahl. There is no anything resembling Offerdahl, but a Kari Nielsdatter from Vange (Wange) married Johannes Olsen of "Offerdahl" in Vik Parish & she had a sister Chrisi who would have been the right age to have been the mother of Peder. |
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eibache
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 19:38:17
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I am sorry, I don't want to be rude but there was two Offerdahl farms in Lærdal in 1801, see Offerdahl Indre
and Offerdahl Ytre
It is also a fact that Christi Nielsdatter 34 years old came to Sælseng in Sogndal from one of these farms for the purpose of getting work, she is listed as the third person in April 1829 see here
Question is, could she be the same Christi Nielsdatter who had Peder March 18 1827? |
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Edited by - eibache on 09/04/2008 19:48:34 |
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Holly
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 20:00:55
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| You're not being rude. Slapping me back into reality is a good thing & is part of the reason that I've posted my wild tangents here! For some unknown reason, my brain put the age of the Christi that you gave me at 29 at the time of Peder O's birth, which would have made her more than 10 years older than the father. |
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eibache
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 20:20:04
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Kristi Nilsdatter Offerdal 16 was confirmed in 1814, see left hand page #8 from the top here
this means that she did not die before 1801 - so why is she not recorded with her parents?
I believe we have Christis first child Hans, born Dec 1 1816, see bottom of left hand page here
Ole Andersen, the father came from Offerdahl.
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Edited by - eibache on 09/04/2008 21:02:02 |
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Holly
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 20:45:44
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| Arrg, I was looking at the wrong travel record! If that's the correct Christi in the travel record, she would have been born about 1795. Ole was baptised in 1808. She'd be about 13 years older than him. |
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eibache
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 21:05:23
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See my posting of 08/04/2008 : 17:46:44
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Holly
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 22:01:05
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Originally posted by eibache
See my posting of 08/04/2008 : 17:46:44
Yes, I know & it is partially the thing that set me off on my wild "Kari" Nilsdatter tangent. There's no Kristi with that family, but there is a Kari & it just so happens that a Kari Nilsdatter married Johannes Olsen of Offerdahl in *Vik* Parish.
There are only 10 females, first name starting with "K", last name beginning with "Ni" in the entire parish for the 1801 census. There were 0 females with first name starting with "C".
I found a death at Selseng for Kristi Nilsdatter on 2/2/1873, born about 1796, "widow", but she's not at Selseng in the 1865 census & I can't find any marriage record for her. |
Edited by - Holly on 09/04/2008 22:19:27 |
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eibache
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Posted - 09/04/2008 : 22:51:55
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Kristi Nilsdatter who died Febr 2 1773 at the age of 77 years is the one I have drawn your attention to. her death record #4
In 1865 she was also a widow and the servant of Lars Egum, see here
She was married in 1740 to widower Johannes Johannesen, see #15
her father is given as Nils Hansen and she came from Offerdal i Leirdal and was 45 years old.
By the way, there was no Nils Nilsen born to the same parents as Christi in 1795-96. I believe the census recorder in 1801 made a mistake and called Cristi for Nils - Christi Nielsdatter can therefore not be found in the census.
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Edited by - eibache on 09/04/2008 23:03:44 |
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