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Erik Carsten
Advanced member
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 Posted - 30/04/2008 : 18:08:09
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Dear Board Members:
If anybody needs information from the MODUM Bydgebok, I will have access to it for a couple of weeks, before I have to return it to the library.
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vivi
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 10:34:30
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Hi
Hope I'm not too late!
Does the book tell anything about two sisters who left for US?
- Ingeborg Maria Olsen b. 1859, left Norway 1885 and married Valentin Thoresen.
- Josephine Olsen b. 1861 left Norway (? year) and married Anders Svendsen?
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 16:45:47
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Vigdis,
It is never to late to borrow the books from a Norwegian library.
BTW was Ingeborg Maria a twin?
Did they both get married before emigrating? |
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Erik Carsten
Advanced member
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578 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 17:15:26
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quote:
Originally posted by vivi
Hi
Hope I'm not too late!
Does the book tell anything about two sisters who left for US?
- Ingeborg Maria Olsen b. 1859, left Norway 1885 and married Valentin Thoresen.
- Josephine Olsen b. 1861 left Norway (? year) and married Anders Svendsen?
Vivi
Dear Vivi.
I'm sorry but I did have to return the book.
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vivi
Senior member
Norway
371 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 22:01:26
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Originally posted by eibache
Vigdis,
It is never to late to borrow the books from a Norwegian library.
BTW was Ingeborg Maria a twin?
Did they both get married before emigrating?
Hi
Thank you for that one. For some reason I belived this was a book from the american Bygdelag... I'll get the book on my next visit to a library.
No, Ingeborg Maria had no twin. Why do you ask?
Ingeborg was married Nov 30 1887 in Fillmore to Valentin Thorsen from Karmøy.
Josephine's marriage I know nothing about, apart from her husbands name: Anders, Andrew or Assens Svendsen, Swenson or something like this. They had a daughter, Hattie born sept 20 1889 possibly in Duluth (or West Superior).
(I have posted questions about her family ) |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 22:35:45
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| It would be strange if you find something on US emigrants in Modum bygdebok. Regarding the twin - at least two Ingeborg Maria Olsdatter were born in Modum 1859, one of them was a twin, the other was a Lægdslem in the 1865 census. |
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vivi
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 12/06/2008 : 23:56:04
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Hi
She was born Mar. 14 1859 and she is not a twin nor a Lægdslem. Ingeborg Maria Olsen is a very common name.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/06/2008 : 00:13:46
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Originally posted by vivi
Josephine's marriage I know nothing about, apart from her husbands name: Anders, Andrew or Assens Svendsen, Swenson or something like this. They had a daughter, Hattie born sept 20 1889 possibly in Duluth (or West Superior).
Vivi
Census-1900 for Douglas, Minnesota:
Andrew Swenson, 1854
Josephine S Swenson, 1858
Their children:
Anna L Swenson, 1879
Clara E Swenson, 1881
J Arthur Swenson, 1885
E Edwin Swenson, 1887
Hattie Swenson, 1889
Gustav W Swenson, 1893
Harman R Swenson, 1895
Harold T Swenson, 1897
Lillian J Swenson, 1899
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vivi
Senior member
Norway
371 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2008 : 01:10:19
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Hi
I have heard about this family before, and I am very uncertain if this can be the right one.
This Josephine is born 1858 (the same year in later censuses and in ship lists) and "my" Josephine 1861.
I think this Josephine came from Fredrikstad about 1879 as Anna is born in Norway. The husband left the year before.
I have no information about were "my" Josephine was after 1876. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/06/2008 : 18:40:15
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Hi Vivi,
Well, you do know something of Josephine's location after 1876 if she is giving birth on 20 Sept 1889 in Duluth or West Superior. Checking in "Advanced Search" in Social Security Death Index at www.rootsweb.com for any Hattie born 20 Sept 1889, there are only eight in 81 million + names. Granted Hattie could have died before 1935, and many other reasons to not be in there (such as is she Hattie or Harriet or Henrietta, etc.) What record do you have about Hattie--a family letter, Bible, a personal visit to Norway etc. that allows you to have that exact date? There are some good Duluth databases including some city directory listings, marriage records etc.
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnstloui/" target="_blank">http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mnstloui/
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vivi
Senior member
Norway
371 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2008 : 22:33:22
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Hi
I have that information from an old note. It just tells Hattie born sept 20 1889 to Josephine and Assens Svendsen (may be Anders) in Duluth. That was all. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/06/2008 : 02:42:36
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Hi Vivi,
About the note: is a "researcher's note" or a note written by a family member? Knowing the who and when the note came to be might provide useful information and allow you to analyze it for accuracy, etc....
I just checked the 1870-1899 birth index of St. Louis County (the county Duluth is in) at usgenweb at the address I gave earlier and found a Hattie Swenson born 20 Sept 1888 and there was an additional transcriber's note about her in the birth records referencing this death record:
SWENSON HATTIE NA 11/28/1938 1115
This Hattie Swenson does not appear to be in the state level death records index at www.mnhs.org What I would suggest is that you go the usgenweb page for St. Louis county and go to the "volunteer lookups available." There is someone of the screen name "Twiggy" listed there who may look up an obit for the Hattie Swenson in 1938. The other service at the St. Louis county usgenweb site which might help you is you can post your request for an obit for that Hattie. Either way what you hope to do is to find information in the obit (or her birth record or death record, if you want to spend some $$) that allows you to accept this Hattie as yours or reject her and if you don't get the yes or no you want, you keep this information until you can find the information that allows you to either accept or eliminate.
But maybe someone out there will look in the various census records to find a family which has a Hattie of the correct age to be your gal. A difference of two years is not much to eliminate someone on, in fact you might consider the +/- 5 years plateau a useful one to collect data for. You should probably keep the Douglas County family in mind as well, until you can accept or reject them also.
Good Luck Vivi!
Jackie M.
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vivi
Senior member
Norway
371 Posts |
Posted - 14/06/2008 : 08:34:02
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Hi
Thank you.
The note is probably written by my grandfather or grgrandfather, both dead long time ago.
I have the Douglas family in several censuses as well as an emigration register and they all agree: she is born 1858 and not 1861. But I do have it in mind anyway. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/06/2008 : 12:46:43
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Hi Vivi,
Good news about the note, not just a researcher's note (a genealogist doodle) but a note from relatives of the long ago past...
Since collecting is the point here are a couple of Olson / Swenson combination births from the Minnesota Birth Index online at mnhs.org occuring in St. Louis County. It's very unlikely that those from the 1920s are Josephine's children (a woman in her mid-sixties having babies is not likely!) and it's not certain that any of these are Josephine's children ( an Olson /Swenson combo not sufficiently unique enough to eliminate many)but please keep in mind the two with the earlier dates. And if you run out of other people to look for (Josephine, Hattie, Anders /Assen/ Assor)then you might take a leap for Alvin and Charles. And lastly a death record from the Minnesota State Death index for a Hattie Swenson b. 20 Sept 1888. Its a ripple that her mother's maiden is Johanson but in the SSDI there are only 6 Hattie with any last name of 81 million names so...
Swenson, Alvin Walter
Date of Birth: 02 Mar 1903
Mother Maiden Name: Olson
certid# 1903-41912
County of Birth: St. Louis
Swenson, Arnold Oscar
Date of Birth: 06 Jul 1929
Mother Maiden Name: Olson
certid# 1929-47190
County of Birth: St. Louis
Swenson, Carl William
Date of Birth: 25 May 1926
Mother Maiden Name: Olson
certid# 1926-52904
County of Birth: St. Louis
Swenson, Charles Theodore
Date of Birth: 15 Oct 1905
Mother Maiden Name: Olson
certid# 1905-42399
County of Birth: St. Louis
Death Records:
SWENSON, HATTIE M.
Date of Birth: 20 Sep 1888
Place of Birth: MINNESOTA
Mother Maiden Name: JOHANSON
certid# 1982-MN-028845
Date of Death: 17 Nov 1982
County of Death: OTTER TAIL
Good Luck!
Jackie
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vivi
Senior member
Norway
371 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2008 : 10:14:32
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This family has suddenly become more interesting:
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Census-1900 for Douglas, Minnesota:
Andrew Swenson, 1854
Josephine S Swenson, 1858
Their children:
Anna L Swenson, 1879
Clara E Swenson, 1881
J Arthur Swenson, 1885
E Edwin Swenson, 1887
Hattie Swenson, 1889
Gustav W Swenson, 1893
Harman R Swenson, 1895
Harold T Swenson, 1897
Lillian J Swenson, 1899
On an old picture I found a greeting from Augustin Svendsen. His age could fit Gustav b 1893. (Augustin = Gustav?)
Does anybody have more information about this family?
I believe this is this Josephine leaving Norway with her daughter. (Her husband left the year before.) http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=18&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=23032&merk=23032#ovre
Anything about their life in Norway?
Vivi
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 22:08:08
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Anything about their life in Norway?
If you ask for Josefine L Svendsen I would think it is Josefine Laurine Olsdatter on Strømbukten farm, Hvaler in 1865
she was then 9 years old, both her father and mother was born in Sweden.
I have not found her baptismal record, nor her confirmation record, but found it for her two brothers.
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