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chris
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 Posted - 31/03/2002 : 15:04:06
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Looking for the ship and exact date Adolph Wattner arrived. He came with his wife Othilde Elizabeth Waerensjoid Wattner and son Carl Alfred Wattner. They lived in Skien then moved to Oslo. I would appreciate any help. Thank you.
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Borge
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Norway
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Posted - 31/03/2002 : 17:55:46
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They do not seam to be registered in the Christiania police records when emigrating (at least not in the online database), maybe they went back to Skien to board a ship from there, or maybe they went from another port. We will be transcribing the 1870 passenger list in not too long (I hope) but that is of ships arriving at Quebec.
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askeroi
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Borge
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Norway
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Posted - 04/10/2003 : 17:28:23
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I actually have found a wonam by the name "Elisabeth Wathner" on a 1870 passenger list to Quebec, she is listed as 35 years of age and a widow from Skien , she is traveling with her two sons Thorval 3 years old and Carl 6 months old - could this be your people, I don't see Adolph, and she is a widow  |
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chris
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Posted - 04/10/2003 : 23:17:24
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| Thank you, that has to be them. Elisabeth was born in 1835, Thorwald was born in 1866, Carl was born in April of 1869. I wonder why she is listed as a widow, Adolph is in the 1865 Oslo census and the 1870 New york census. What is the name of that ship and the dates? In one of my census records from Texas Adolph states he emigrated in 1869 and Elisabeth in 1870, I always thought whoever took the census made a mistake. Thanks a million. |
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Borge
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Norway
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Posted - 05/10/2003 : 09:22:50
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They were listed on the Laurdal sailing from Porsgrunn Apr. 15 mastered by Captain J. L. Petersen and arrived to Quebec June 12. Why she is listed as a widow if she wasn't is a mystery, maybe an error on the list or maybe they had reasons for wanting people to believe that Adolph was dead. Here on the scan you can see that it reads "Enke" by Elisabeth's name, which means widow:
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Edited by - Borge on 05/10/2003 09:24:05 |
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chris
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Posted - 05/10/2003 : 14:08:03
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| Thanks again Borge, we really appreciate the effort you put into this. We have been looking a long time, Thanks. Now I will be looking to see why Adolph left a year before she did and what ship he took in 1869. |
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chris
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Posted - 02/11/2003 : 13:53:31
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| Under Carl's name there is a woman with them named Emma ? from Skien. Can someone make out her last name and also what it says about her occupation. I have looked in the 1865 Norway census but am unable to locate her in it. Thanks |
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ninakarls
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Borge
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Norway
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Posted - 02/09/2005 : 20:44:32
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| They are listed in Martin Ulvestad's book "Nordmændene i Amerika", as pioneers in Kaufman County, Texas! It says that Johan Reierson (the well known) moved from Brownsboro to Four Mile Prairie, Kaufamn Co, in 1848, he founded the settlement there, and the village Prairieville. Then among the Norwegians who came to the settlement later are listed: Adolf, Fred, Torvald and Carl Vatner. |
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svholst
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Posted - 14/10/2007 : 13:02:50
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| Here is some additional information about the Wattner family which may be of interest. . - Adolph Severin Wattner's grandfather was Anders Tollefsen Watner who came from the town of Mandal to Skien probably around 1780. He was a well known carpenter in Skien and beyond. Anders passed away in 1843, 93 years old. His son Toenne Wattner was also a carpenter. He was born in 1809 and married Christence Christensdatter Hynie in 1835 in the old Gjerpen Church, just outside Skien. Their son Adolph Severin Wattner was born in 1836 and died in Texas in 1911. He was maried to Othilie Frederikke Elisabeth Waerenskjold. Othilie's brother was Wilhelm Waerenskjold who was married to Elise Tvede Waerenskjold from Holt near Tvedestrand, Norway. In Texas Elise Waerenskjold is known as The Lady with the Pen and lived most of her life at Four Mile Prairie, Texas. Adolph S. Wattner settled down in the same area in 1871 and is buried at Four Mile Cemetary. |
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eibache
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Posted - 14/10/2007 : 14:48:07
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Carl was actually christened Carl Alfred Christian, see #92 and born, in Skien, April 7 1869.
Torvald was actually christened Olaf Torvald, see #49, he was born, in Oslo, Oct 9 1866.
I asume that you know or has seen this, but just in case here is Adolf (28) and Othildes (20) marriage record, see #129 Adolfs father Tønnes Watner, Skien and Othildes father Otter Wernskjold, Fredrikshald.
Otter (actually Otto) before he married is here |
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eibache
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Posted - 14/10/2007 : 21:40:57
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Adolfs birth record is #24 born March 29 1836, christened at home April 5 and in the church Aug 6. His parents were Snekkermester Tønnes Watner and Christence Christensen.
Adolfs sister Caroline Christence was born Sept 19 1837, see #5
The marriage record for Tønnes and Christence is #41
Christences father before he was married is here
Christences christening record is #134 |
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Edited by - eibache on 14/10/2007 23:02:08 |
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svholst
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Norway
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Posted - 19/10/2007 : 11:47:12
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Adolph's grandfather Anders Watner was a well known carpenter in Skien. In 1810 he and other good carpenters in the Skien district made furniture for the Brekke Manor (present Telemark Museum) which at the time was owned by Niels Aall at the time director of the municipal administration in Skien and later member of government.
Anders later made two secretaries/writing desks (chatolls) for merchant Altenburg in Skien who gave them as gifts to his sons in law. One of them was Knud Ibsen, the father of the later well known playwright Henrik Ibsen. One of the secretaries was an exhibit at the exhibition of cultural history at Bygdöy in Christiania in 1901.The Altenburg/Watner secretaries are still at the Telemark Museum in Skien.
The road Vatner Ring in Skien has got its name from the Watner Farm or Watner House in Skien which was the home of the Watner family. |
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svholst
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Posted - 19/11/2007 : 23:10:30
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| Adolph's younger brother Arnoldus Arnesen Wattner Tonnesen, born in 1839 in Skien emmigrated to America some years before his brother - probably in the early 1860ies. He first went to Chicago and later settled down in Minnesota where he married. He died in 1919 in Canby, Yellow Medicine County, Minnesota. |
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Adolph Wattner arrived New York in 1870
