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nickamb
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 Posted - 25/10/2008 : 15:20:29
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I need some guidance. I am trying to Learn about my great great grandpa, John Amb.
He was born Johannes Mikkelsen in Norway in 1849. He left Oslo on the S/S North Star, with a final destination of Cedar Falls, Iowa, on April 22, 1869.
He arrived in London on May 6, 1869.
I am assuming from there he hopped on another ship. I am trying to find the list from the ship he would have went on.
My assumptions from doing some reading are that
a) The ship from London and the S/S North Star were part of the same company.
b) He took a Great Lakes arrival and was probably off the ship in either milwaukee or chicago.
If you have any information or guidance on where I should look next, that would be great.
In the meanwhile, I will keep reading!
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Nick Amb
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 25/10/2008 : 15:33:48
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What are your sources for him arriving in London on May 6th, 1869?
It did not take 2 weeks to travel Oslo - London in 1869, at most 3 days.
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nickamb
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Posted - 25/10/2008 : 16:13:59
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Hi
Digital Arkivet in it's listings of outbound emigrants from Oslo. Johannes left on the North Star April 22, 1869. I matched the date he left with the ship that left on that date also. Digital Arkivet also lists the ship he boarded as the North Star. According to the page on this website, the Christiania/Christiansand/London route for the North Star Left April 22 and arrived in London May 6
Am I on the right track?
Thanks for your help!
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jwiborg
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Posted - 25/10/2008 : 16:22:08
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Hmm..., I think the 1869-05-06 date refers to a second trip leaving Oslo, and not the arrival date for the April 22nd departure.
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eibache
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Posted - 25/10/2008 : 16:23:41
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Was he born June 26 1849, if so his baptismal record is #82
and the parents Mikel Johannesen and Kjerstie Johnsdatter.
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nickamb
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Posted - 25/10/2008 : 16:32:50
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Yes, parents were Mikkel and Kjersti. Thank you for the baptismal record!!
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Nick Amb
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nickamb
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Posted - 25/10/2008 : 16:36:19
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Hmm..., I think the 1869-05-06 date refers to a second trip leaving Oslo, and not the arrival date for the April 22nd departure.
Jan Peter
Thank you!
So, if he arrived in London a few days later--April 25 or 26, how long until the next leg of the Journey started? What was typical?
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Borge
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Norway
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Posted - 25/10/2008 : 19:57:51
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| The most likely line from London to Quebec in 1869 would be the Temperly Line. Unfortunately our list of departures for 1869 is not complete, so I can't say which ship was the most likely one from London. What I know is that the agent Geo Kent announced sailing on the on the Temperly Line ships in 1865, connected by the S/S Bertha and S/S Zingari . The Bertha was mastered by Capt Ure in 1865, and he later was the master of the S/S North Star. It appears like the NAC list of passengers lists for 1869 is also incomplete I'm afraid, so it will take some research to find a matching arrival. You should expect arrival to Quebec within 2-3 weeks after the departure from Norway. The transatlantic crossing at that time took about 2 weeks +/- a few days. |
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nickamb
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Posted - 25/10/2008 : 23:09:54
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Børge,
Is the collection at the national archives of Canada incomplete?
I see only the following ships as landed in the port at Quebec from their list in the time frame May 5-20, 1869 that had departed from London.
AUSTRIAN, Arrived May 9 (very possible)
EUROPEAN, Arrived May 23 (almost too far)
Damascus, May 31 (too late for the time frame)
MORAVIAN, May 17 (possible, but on the outside limits of the time frame)
PERUVIAN, May 31 (too late for the time frame)
St. Andrew May 12 (almost exclusively English/Scotch)
St. Patrick 5-23, and it carried no foreigners
My detective sense tells me that give the time frames of likely arrival, it would have to be either the Austrian or the Moravian. Since the Austrian departed London April 29th, that would be the closest to his arrival. The Moravian did not leave until the 6th of May. It's arrival on May 17th would be a total of a 24 day trip, a little beyond the best timeline.
I would have to narrow it down to the Austrian.
Were there other arrivals that have not been documented? This would be what would throw my detective work out the window.
Johannes boarded the North Star with about 150 other Norwegians, most headed to the Midwest.
Tusen Takk!
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Nick Amb
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nickamb
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Posted - 25/10/2008 : 23:16:21
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Hmm..., I think the 1869-05-06 date refers to a second trip leaving Oslo, and not the arrival date for the April 22nd departure.
Jan Peter
Thanks, Jan Peter. I believe you are right, the more I look at that page. It looks like that was indeed the second trip leaving Oslo.
I think I have it down to the Austrian or the Moravian, arriving in Quebec, Canada May 9 or 17.
But I am still digging! and still learning!
Thanks,
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Borge
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Posted - 26/10/2008 : 00:56:49
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Originally posted by nickamb
Børge,
Is the collection at the national archives of Canada incomplete?
I see only the following ships as landed in the port at Quebec from their list in the time frame May 5-20, 1869 that had departed from London.
AUSTRIAN, Arrived May 9 (very possible)
EUROPEAN, Arrived May 23 (almost too far)
Damascus, May 31 (too late for the time frame)
MORAVIAN, May 17 (possible, but on the outside limits of the time frame)
PERUVIAN, May 31 (too late for the time frame)
St. Andrew May 12 (almost exclusively English/Scotch)
St. Patrick 5-23, and it carried no foreigners
My detective sense tells me that give the time frames of likely arrival, it would have to be either the Austrian or the Moravian. Since the Austrian departed London April 29th, that would be the closest to his arrival. The Moravian did not leave until the 6th of May. It's arrival on May 17th would be a total of a 24 day trip, a little beyond the best timeline.
I would have to narrow it down to the Austrian.
Were there other arrivals that have not been documented? This would be what would throw my detective work out the window.
Johannes boarded the North Star with about 150 other Norwegians, most headed to the Midwest.
Tusen Takk!
Well, as far as I can see those are all Allan Line ships, and they would have departed from Liverpool. I do not find it very common for the Allan Line to use those feeder ships, nor to send their passengers via London. I find it strange not finding some arrivals for the Temperly Line in the Canadian index, as expected due to an imaginary regular schedule, so I am assuming the list is not complete. You could in any case check the passenger lists of those Allan Line arrivals just to be sure they are not there. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 26/10/2008 : 10:10:13
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The following ships from the Temperley Line are recorded in the Canadian Records as arrived in Quebec in May 1869:
Dacia, departure London 1869-04-22, arrival Quebec 1869-05-10
Cleopatra, departure London 1869-05-12, arrival Quebec 1869-05-31
However, Dacia left London too early, and Cleopatra too late for Johannes Mikkelsen. He would not have walked around in the London Docklands for 3 weeks before crossing the Atlantic...
They have also records of other Temperley Line ship arrivals, but not from May 1869.
The lines you list did not depart from London, but as Borge said from Liverpool (and Londonderry in Ireland) (Except St. Andrew and St. Patrick, which departed from Glasgow, Scotland, Liverpool, England and Dublin, Ireland)
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nickamb
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Posted - 27/10/2008 : 02:32:02
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Jan Peter
I was thinking the same thing. I doubt he goofed around London for 3 weeks.
Could he have taken a train to another port? Was that something that was done?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 27/10/2008 : 18:53:10
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My guess is that Johannes Mikkelsen left London on April 25th, and arrived in Quebec around May 13th or 14th.
The two Temperley Line ships above spent 18 days (Dacia) and 19 days (Cleopatra) on the journey from London to Quebec in May 1869.
I'm not familiar with the route North Star used from Norway, but if it's destination was London, I doubt that he upon arrival London would have taken the train to Liverpool. A more common route for Liverpool departures for Norwegians was the train from Hull.
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Borge
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Posted - 28/10/2008 : 09:19:36
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Originally posted by jwiborg
I'm not familiar with the route North Star used from Norway, but if it's destination was London, I doubt that he upon arrival London would have taken the train to Liverpool. A more common route for Liverpool departures for Norwegians was the train from Hull.
Jan Peter
I agree, and specially since the Wilson Line ship to Hull left only the day after the daparture of the S/S North Star. The Allan Line passengers were normally conveyed by the Wilson Line ship via Hull, so I think it is very likely that he departed from London on a Temperly Line ship. |
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S/S North Star to London, then?
