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Graeme Duckett
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New Zealand
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 Posted - 04/11/2008 : 05:40:33
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| Hi again from New Zealand.Where would i look for Norwegian army service records for say 1889-92,for Didrick Wohlert?How long was compulsary army service in norway?My guess is that after army service he got employment on cargo vessells to Hamburg and England,but i know not to assume!regards graeme Duckett. |
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torrustad
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Norway
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/11/2008 : 23:24:34
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Hi, I´ll try to give you some answeres, any records is harder to find.
Compulsary army service in Norway was introdused by the law in 1816, exept for the three northern counties where army service was introdused in 1897, only men from the countryside were called up by a lottery, it was delimited in 1919 and ended 1936.
"Stillingsretten" who gave you permission/acess to pay another person to replace you was ended in 1876.
After beeing a 1. line soldier you were transfered to a local militia "Landvernet", in 1899 the compulsary army sevice could last for 16 years, after serving as a 1. line soldier your were transfered to the militia.
In 1905 a third division was established in the army, "Landstormen", ment to support both "Landvernet" and the militia.
In 1885 the army consisted of 2000 officers, 3400 non-comissioned officers and 57 000 corporals and soldiers.
The army rifle until1884 was US Remington prodused on license in Norway, from 1884 the Norwegian M/1884 Jarmann rifle and from 1892 the Norwegian Krag Jørgensen rifle, used in the US army from 1892 and prodsed on license by Springfield as US Magazine rifle Mod. 1892.
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Graeme Duckett
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New Zealand
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 19:02:35
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| Thank you both very much for your help.I have found Didrick on an english cargo ship called the Marere here in New Zealand in 1908.My feelings are he went from Norway to hamburg to England.He jumped ship here in 1908 and worked on a schooner called the Clyde which was eventually wrecked on Macquarie island south of Australia.I was hoping there may have been norwegian government army records showing date of enlistment and time of service.We have a similar record here for New Zealanders,including detailed personal records.Thank you again very much regards Graeme Duckett. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 19:46:45
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Hi.
From the censuses we can assume Didric Wohlert left Bergen between 1885 and 1891 and Norway before 1900.
Germany and Hamburg can be a good start since his grandparents were from Holstein in northern Germany where Hamburg is the largest city.
Didrick´s grandfather was Sævert Caspar Detlef Wohlert (Norwegian spelling) and Didrick´s father was born nov. 7. 1839 in Høysdorf (Norwegian spelling, dorf means town) , see the wedding record from Korskirken, Bergen, Feb. 27. 1870 #8
Høysdorf must be Hoisdorf north of Hamburg in Schleswig-Holstein
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Graeme Duckett
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New Zealand
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Posted - 07/11/2008 : 18:49:58
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| Thanks very much again for the imput.So i take it that army service would have been outside of the Bergen area.Would there have military training camps like here in New Zealand giving drill and rifle instruction etc.Where would the nearest camp have been to bergen?Is it possible Didrick went straight to sea at 15,is that possible?I have found his grandfather and Didricks uncles and aunts on a geneology site and they call the place Hogsdorf(german spelling)Holstein,interesting.I have just discovered a marine accident report,when he fell from a mast and broke both of his legs in 1912,thus ending his carreer at sea,regards Graeme Duckett |
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 07/11/2008 : 20:50:07
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It was military training camps in several municipalities in all regions in the country called "Mønstringsplasser" or "Ekserplasser"and still many municipalities has kept these names from that areas.
Several rifle assosiations for civilians was started.
The military regiment for Hordaland county was Bergenhus Reiment /- Infanteri Brigade including 3 divisions from Sogn&Fjordane county , the headquarter was on Bergenhus Fortress and the training camp was established outside the town.
The people of Norway was tired of beeing in a union with Sweden since 1814 and the increasing of the army started about 1887, Norway prepared for war if nessesary for the liberation from the union.
Because of a strong army and very competent negotiaters the devide of the union ended peacefully June 7. 1905.
I wonder if Didrick could have left Norway as a crew member on a ship, or we just might have overlooked him in the records.
Within some few years the probate registres will be online and can bring information in connection to his fathers death.
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Graeme Duckett
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New Zealand
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Posted - 08/11/2008 : 00:37:09
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| Thank you very much for your imput Kare.My feelings are that he left Norway on board a ship.From what ive been told from people who knew him personally,he was at sea as a boy.Could he have boarded a vessell in Bergen and avoided army training as a boy?I have wrtitten to the regional archives of Bergen regarding the probate.He was by all accounts a ships carpenter,but i have nothing to verify this,only heresay.He certainly made some beautiful sailors macrame items,several of which ive photographed.Regards Graeme |
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Hopkins
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USA
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Posted - 08/11/2008 : 13:52:50
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Is it possible Didrick went straight to sea at 15,is that possible?
Yes. In my own great-grandfather's family all of the brothers, those physically able, went to sea shortly after their confirmation in the church. In the middle of the 1800s their father owned or co-owned several merchant sailing ships and they resided in a small port city on the west coast of Norway and conducted regular shipping of merchant goods between various European ports and South America.
One of these brothers died in or near Buenos Aires at the age of 16 and the family still has a studio photograh of another obvious teenager that was taken in that same port, the dashing young man posing all decked out in South American garb.
One of my dream projects is to be able to go to Norway and research myself in the Mariners records only available there.
Did you read the excellent article on this subject that is on this website?
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 08/11/2008 : 18:01:02
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You are right about Hogsdorf, also spelled Høgsdorf.
German Ø has an O with two `` above.
Hogsdorf/Høgsdorf is a "dorf" a small village in Schleswig Holstein east of Kiel city.
see here and here
Høgsdorf in the Norwegian record seems correct after a new review.
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Graeme Duckett
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New Zealand
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Posted - 08/11/2008 : 19:02:23
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| Thanks once again,its great having experienced people online like this,its the only forum ive struck like this and i appreciate it very much being new to this type of research.I have found Didricks parents,great grandparents and beyond on a site in Hogsdorf.You can see how the family names carried on through.Didrick certainly lived in the great age of sail and steam.bergen would have been a busy port in the 1880-90s,as was the rest of the world ports at that time.Here in new Zealand it was the same.Our small town port here sent frozen meat direct to England,large barges with air tight hatches were towed out off the port about 5 miles to large awaiting overseas ships.I would be pleased to help anyone in the forum with New Zealand queries.Amazingly,i now have a photo of Didrick,regards Graeme |
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Sheena Boese
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New Zealand
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 10:30:33
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Hi Graeme
I have been reading through your Forum and have a similar situation to your own. I would be interested in the web addresses for the European genealogy websites you have used to research your descendant Didrick. My GG Grandfather Charles Frederick Boese (poss Carl Frederick Boes) was a Ships Carpenter and came to NZ approx 1872. I am currently unable to track his entry into NZ, other than this was a time when many Scandanavians emigrated to NZ. Any help or suggestions you can offer would be greatly appreciated. And yes this website is an absolutley wonderful resource! Sheena Boese.
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Originally posted by Graeme Duckett
Thanks once again,its great having experienced people online like this,its the only forum ive struck like this and i appreciate it very much being new to this type of research.I have found Didricks parents,great grandparents and beyond on a site in Hogsdorf.You can see how the family names carried on through.Didrick certainly lived in the great age of sail and steam.bergen would have been a busy port in the 1880-90s,as was the rest of the world ports at that time.Here in new Zealand it was the same.Our small town port here sent frozen meat direct to England,large barges with air tight hatches were towed out off the port about 5 miles to large awaiting overseas ships.I would be pleased to help anyone in the forum with New Zealand queries.Amazingly,i now have a photo of Didrick,regards Graeme
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Graeme Duckett
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New Zealand
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 18:57:55
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| Hi Sheena,if youd like to mail me at jewels@infogen.net.nz id be pleased to help where i can.A lot of what ive achieved ive fluked really,just stumbled across things.Trying different combinations and branching off sites into other areas give useful leads.Being lucky enough to trace residents who lived in the area Didrick was in,has been a great help.Ive spent the last 12 months interviewing elderly residents.I have done local history over 40 years now and thats been an asset.Ive accumulated many thousands of old photos of this area from 1872-1965.Ive also written a 100 year history of our small towns commercial area 1865-1965 owner by owner,featuring advertising and photographs,business info etc.Ive had an interesting life thats for sure,and it continues,regards graeme |
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