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David Knutson
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Kåarto
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 Posted - 17/11/2008 : 13:46:35
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You are right about his parents, they married in Leikanger parish in Sogn & Fjordane county north of Bergen Dec. 8. 1858, his father Lars was from Yttre (Outher) Taqvam in Haus, a neighbour parish to Bergen, he was a merchant when they married, Engels lastname was Brun when she married #13
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Hopkins
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Posted - 17/11/2008 : 14:45:03
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| David, what document(s) list those children as born out of wedlock? |
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eibache
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Posted - 17/11/2008 : 16:40:57
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Their oldest son Axel, born May 31 1860, was an ægte child, see #64
so was Herman Brun, born Febr 29 1864, see #56
also Bergitte Agnethe, born June 5 1862, see #63
as well as Wilhelm Eyvind, born Aug 16 1874, see #4
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David Knutson
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Posted - 18/11/2008 : 00:42:01
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| The document listing them as out of wedlock was the 1875 census note under occupation "forsørges av Forl". I very much appreciate the information posted by Kåre. Very helpful. I don't know the word ægte so not sure if the message is child while married or while not married. Thank You very much for the help. |
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eibache
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Posted - 18/11/2008 : 06:51:44
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"forsørges av Forl" in the 1875 census just means that the child was provided for by the parents, Axel, being 15 years old had work as a clerk (with his father?)
ægte child = born by married couple
uægte child = born out of wedlock.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 18/11/2008 : 07:46:42
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Not easy to find the emigration record.
Wilhelm Eivinds confirmation was in Nykirken 1889 #36
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David Knutson
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Posted - 19/11/2008 : 01:40:08
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In reference to the above response: Wilhelm Eyvind, born Aug 16 1874, see #4
I believe the birth is listed as uægte and the others ægte so it may make sense that Eivind was adopted? He is the youngest child and had stated that he was born out of wedlock so a natural assumption to me is that he may have been adopted. Is there any way to find out why he is born out of wedlock?
I again thank you both very much for the assistance. I have been able to trace to 3rd cousins in Porsgrunn on my mother's side of the family. I have spoken with them, but I need to brush up on my Norwegian. I plan to visit Norway in a few years. |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 19/11/2008 : 01:48:51
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No, the writer was just sloppy in closing the top of the first letter.... just poor penmanship. That child is born in wedlock -- remember the earlier marriage date was documented above.
What has been worrying me is that your Evend Haugjas in North Dakota for the 1900 US census listed his birth as Feb 1875. I also haven't seen any history for the Wilhelm Evind being discussed above as having any link to a location that would give him cause to adopt an American surname like "Haugjas". Do you have other evidence for a 1874 birthyear? perhaps even later evidence for a birthday in August? |
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David Knutson
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Posted - 19/11/2008 : 04:20:28
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| I have been told by family that he stated he was born out of wedlock and the writing in the journal when enlarged seems to clearly show the letter starting in the bottom left to write a "u" so all that seems to fit. Plus he is born 10 years after the previous child which leads me to believe he may have been adopted for some reason. Eivind also gave his birthday - on his death notice also - as 11 Dec 1874 and stated he was born in O.S. (near Bergen). He also did not communicate with the family back in Norway, but is said to have returned once, possibly just before someone or after someone (mother or father) died. Much speculation I know, but he held the name Eivind Wilhelm Haugland so seems a bit too close to not look at as a very good possibility. I do appreciate the input very much and hope to track down emegration from Norway to help confirm or not. |
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 19/11/2008 : 05:48:13
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David,
I think you have two different people. Compare the handwriting for uægte and ægte by going to page 90 of the birth records. The priest definitely distinguished the two types of births. Your date of birth for Eivind also indicates a different person.
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eibache
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Posted - 19/11/2008 : 07:02:21
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In reference to the above response: Wilhelm Eyvind, born Aug 16 1874, see #4
I believe the birth is listed as uægte and the others ægte so it may make sense that Eivind was adopted? He is the youngest child and had stated that he was born out of wedlock so a natural assumption to me is that he may have been adopted. Is there any way to find out why he is born out of wedlock?
Wilhelm Eyvind is definitely NOT an "uægte" child and Lars Johannesen and Engel Johanne Brun are according to baptismal record and confirmation record his real parents.
If your Evend Haugjas was an "uægte" child born in Os outside of Bergen where you'll find a farm Haugland, he must be a different person and a fresh new search have to be started.
No "uægte" Evend, Eivind, Eyvind was baptized in Os 1873 - 1876. |
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David Knutson
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Posted - 19/11/2008 : 14:25:56
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| I thank you for the feedback. More research certainly needed by me to make sure I have the information correct. I can clearly see the difference in the handwriting on page 90 for uægte. |
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Question on "out of wedlock" notes in census
