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kathyzeien
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 Posted - 23/02/2009 : 05:40:03
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HI,
What's the old saying, great minds... I just got done checking the Canadian Census ( free online 1911) and found no Elenore. I have been checking every option I can think of. That includes checking on county message boards, and a lot of googling. I did notice on the passenger lists to Canada there are a lot of Bergerson's. Hopefully after she immigrated she didn't decide to alter her first name, seen that done many times. I go back and reread the postings trying to find a new hidden clue but haven't gotten any new ideas. I would try any possible options, she could have went anywhere. |
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mkeys
Junior member
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 15:40:43
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| Eleonore went to Boston first and then travelled to Sauris, ND with people named Otilie and Ludwig Sorensen and an older man named Isak Hansen. Apparently Isak's son paid their way. I don't know of any connections. Sorensen's landed in Divide County and apparently stayed there. There is an Eleonore Bergerson in Ward County on a Naturalization certificate but I can't access that. I tried but it came up 'No matches.' Jackie Marler sent me the information but I got stuck from that point on. |
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kathyzeien
Medium member
116 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2009 : 16:08:50
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Hi,
To find the Elenore you are looking for in the Naturalization if you put in Bergerson in the surname and Ward in the county, she will show up. It then shows you how to order it if you wish. I don't know if the papers from that date are going to tell you much. The cost of $5.00 is reasonable. |
Edited by - kathyzeien on 23/02/2009 16:18:10 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2009 : 16:49:38
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Hi,
I've posted and also emailed Mary with the address and instructions for the naturalizations.
Yes, in that period there is very little information other than usually the port of arrival and date of arrival but that could be enough to indicate that the Eleonore in the records is hers or not since Mary already knows that Eleonore came in through Boston. I wonder if there are other Bergersons on the ship Eleonore arrived on--seems a bit weird that she would leave Oslo as a Hans. and arrive stateside as Bergerson unless she got married in Great Britain departure points and her husband is traveling with her to the states.
Re the other gentleman there are not likely to be many Norwegians in ND census schedules with the first name Isak (Isaac) nor Isackson for surname so perhaps that could be looked at in Ancestry. It seems to me that there was one Isaac Hanson in the ND Biography index at the institute for regional studies site and he was in a Stark county resource. If you can try for 1910 and maybe the old man in the Oslo departure list that Eleonore was on might still be around.
As far as I know there is no town of the name Sauris in North Dakota, the town named Souris is in Bottineau County. But there could be townships named Souris, rather than a town, but I don't know. Someone has been working the furrow of these northwest quadrant of North Dakota headstone transcriptions and he has put in about 60000 headstones in the findagrave site from that section.
Here are the Isaac Hanson listings in the North Dakota Naturalization database:
Hanson, Isaac Norway February 20, 19191st Gldn Vlly D-1 086
Hanson, Isaac Norway October 30, 1883 2nd Grand Forks F-21 204
Hanson, Isaac Norway September 24, 1921 2nd Gldn Vlly P-2 079
Naturalizations of the later dates 1919 and 1921 usually contain a lot of family information, names of children etc. I think Golden Valley is also one that needs to be ordered from the State Historical Society.
Curioser and curioser
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 23/02/2009 16:59:04 |
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kathyzeien
Medium member
116 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2009 : 17:02:45
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Hi,
When I get a chance later I will go on the Bismarck Veterans Library homepage and see if there is anything on history of Hope, North Dakota. If I find anything I can go check out the book and see if anything is in it on the family. Long shot, but sometimes long shots pay off. It would be nice to stumble on a family tree that had at least one member of the family in. That is how I figured out my great grandfather. He had changed his first name. |
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kathyzeien
Medium member
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 20:01:24
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Here is the Isaac Hanson from Golden Valley
1920 Census listed with wife Olga and children Olive and Harriet.
1930 Census living with same wife and children in Stark County. His occupation in both censuses is railroad.
His ww1 draft states his birthdate as Sept. 8, 1891 and being from Helvik, Norway. Both of the census states he immigated in 1909. Haven't yet found the 1910 census.
I don't know if he would have anything to do with the one we are looking for. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7790 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2009 : 20:17:43
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Hi,
Not obviously the guy we seek but most probably the guy in the Golden Valley naturalizations.
Okay its back to Norway to find out about the old man's family. He is aged 66 (in 1905) lives in Østre Aker (in 1905) and his name is Isak Hansen Grov. Which of his kiddies came to America and had the dough to pay for the old man, his cousin Othilie & her husband and Eleonore....
Here are North Dakota naturalizations of surname Grov:
Grov, Andrew NorwayNovember 02, 1896 2nd Barnes F-16 135
Grov, Erik Norway January 24, 1919 1st Griggs D-6 056
Grov, Khristoffer Norway October 15, 1915 2nd Mountrail P-7 130
Grov, Kristoffer Norway June 14, 1911 1st Wells D-5 120
Grov, Martin Norway October 05, 1910 2nd Mountrail P-6 021
Grov, Nils T Norway March 22, 1901 1st Wells D-2 411
Grov, Nils T Norway July 19, 1910 2nd Wells P-11 043
Grov, Ole Norway June 28, 1919 1st McHenry D-4 161
Grov, Ole Norway May 18, 1923 2nd McHenry P-16 221
This is probably himself in 1900, note birthplace as 1830 Vinger in Hedmark name still carried as Isak Hansen Grov, apparent son Jakob born in Aker.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f00218&gardpostnr=605&personpostnr=5847&merk=5847#ovre
And now probably himself in 1865 on his mother in law's place with farm name transcribed as Grav and several boys in family:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=24&filnamn=f60218b&gardpostnr=435&personpostnr=4038&merk=4038#ovre
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 23/02/2009 20:47:49 |
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kathyzeien
Medium member
116 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2009 : 22:29:36
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Grov's found in North Dakota census:
1920 Census in Cottonwood, Mountrail County, ND
Martin Grov, age 38, immigrated 1902 from Norway
Sonneva Grov, age 35, immigrated 1907 from Norway
Sorsoe Grov, age 7, born in ND
1910 Census from Manfred, Wells County, ND
Nels Grov, born 1877, age 33, immigrated from Norway 1900
Carrie, wife, age 36, born in Norway
Christopher, brother, born in Norway, immigrated in 1908, single
Ole Grov WW1 Draft Registration Dated: June 5, 1917
Born: Oct. 6, 1875 in Bergen, Norway
Home: Granville, North Dakota, McHenry County
He is listed as single
I don't know if any of this helps!
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mkeys
Junior member
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68 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2009 : 22:32:26
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| Karl is the name of the son, I believe, who sent for them all and paid their way. They have him listed as Karl Jackson on the ship manifest, but they probably misunderstood the pronunciation of the last name. (Not unusual back then). What his relationship is to Eleonore, I don't know. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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mkeys
Junior member
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68 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2009 : 22:41:43
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| Yes, he's the one who traveled with his wife, Isak, and Eleonore. But I don't know of any relationship to her. Eleonore's grandfather was Lars Hansen so she may have taken his name. I don't knkow if he's related to Isak however. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 22:48:01
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Hi,
Here are the children in the 1865 census:
Karl Edvard Isaks. deres Barn ug 8 m Aker
Hans Martin Isaks. deres Barn ug 5 m Aker
Agnes Emilie Isaksd. deres Datter ug 2 k Aker
So when did Karl come to America? He was born about 1856-1858; possible last names in US Grov, Grav, Isakson, Hanson. Supposedly living in North Dakota in 1905...
Jackie M. |
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mkeys
Junior member
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68 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2009 : 23:03:25
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Here's some info on Eleonore's grandfather, Lars Hansen. He was born in 1820 in Ullensaker. Olaus was born in 1856 and Hans in 1847 (her father) both in Ostre Aker, same place as Isak. Any connection? I'm not sure.
Karl must have been here a while before 1905. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2009 : 23:43:58
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Hi,
Here is a Karl Isaksen leaving Norway in 1884 which means he might be in US. in 1900 census someplace. The address won't copy properly but I was able to copy the information on the one who appears most likely:
Oslo 1037 1884 April 03 Karl E. Isaksen m u Arb. 24 ø.aker Eau Claire 1185 Norsk Kr. 195.70 Island
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 24/02/2009 11:45:57 |
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mkeys
Junior member
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Posted - 24/02/2009 : 01:37:32
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| I have good news, Jackie and Kathy. I received the naturalization papers for Eleonore Bergerson and she's MY Eleonore. She came in from Boston, Mass in April of 1905 so I know it's her. Now to find her marriage license. I need to check Bottineau County. Thank you for your help. If you have any other good ideas on how to find her or the name of her husband, I'd appreciate it. You guys are great. Mary |
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Still looking for Eleonore Larsen/Hans/Bergersen
