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Shirsol
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 Posted - 22/02/2009 : 19:37:09
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My G-grand father is listed as Lars Eriksen Moen on the passenger list for the Bark Rjukan. Leaving Skien on 19 April 1868, arriving Quebec 13 June. His father, I believe, was Lars Eriksen. So I have no idea why he used the name "Moen".
His wife's name was, Liv Andrea Johnsdtr.
The family story is that their 3 children contracted measles, aboard ship, died, and were buried at sea.
G-grandparents were later found in the 1870 Iowa census with a 1 year old daughter. My grandmother born in 1872.
Lars then was known as Louis Ericksen.
Maybe the census taker couldn't understand his
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 14:22:04
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I would recommend you to open a new topic.
We can assume Lars Eriksen was coming from one of the Moen farms in Telemark.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 15:37:28
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Shirley, you have an inquiry? What is it that you are looking for?
The name Moen does not indicate any relationship to the other family in a now separate thread of this forum -- it is only a coincidence that the two families have connections to different farms with the same common name. For Lars Ericksen it reflects his family history with one of the "Moen" farms in Solum, Telemark, in fact the farm where he was born and where his parents still live in the 1865 Norwegian census. They came from Solum in Telemark and that is reflected in the name you have listed for yourself? Finding them in online Norwegian records is not at all difficult.
Norwegian naming patterns and practices are discussed and clearly explained in many online articles.
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm
Lars and his wife did leave Norway in 1868 with three young children, two sons and one daughter, born in 1862, 1864 and 1867. |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 16:57:10
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That was a quick finding Hopkins.
It could have been a needle in a hay stack to investigate all Moen farms in Telemark, espesially as they lived on farm Nordĝen in Kilebygda countryside close to Skien town in 1865.
It was Lars who was from Moen when they married June 9. 1862, Liv Andrea Johnsdatter was from Kverndalen, fathers: Erik Larsen Moen and John Pedersen Querndalen.
Lars brother Peder Eriksen Moen emigrated with them.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 23/02/2009 17:05:07 |
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Shirsol
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 20:25:15
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Originally posted by Hopkins
Shirley, you have an inquiry? What is it that you are looking for?
The name Moen does not indicate any relationship to the other family in a now separate thread of this forum -- it is only a coincidence that the two families have connections to different farms with the same common name. For Lars Ericksen it reflects his family history with one of the "Moen" farms in Solum, Telemark, in fact the farm where he was born and where his parents still live in the 1865 Norwegian census. They came from Solum in Telemark and that is reflected in the name you have listed for yourself? Finding them in online Norwegian records is not at all difficult.
Norwegian naming patterns and practices are discussed and clearly explained in many online articles.
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm
Lars and his wife did leave Norway in 1868 with three young children, two sons and one daughter, born in 1862, 1864 and 1867.
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Shirsol
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 20:28:00
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| I am looking for a site re: "deaths at sea". I want to verify the "family story" that these 3 children did die, and were buried at sea. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 21:45:05
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Kċre, the family is listed in the index of persons who emigrated from Telemark which I often use on LDS microfiche. I just happen to have the section that included "Lars" and named entries starting with the letter "L" here at home today (doing a little searching for a Telemark "Ledvor/Levor" for my personal research purposes). The LDS library call number for that microfiche set is #6350054.
Shirley, have you checked the arrival record in America? Sometimes deaths at sea were listed at the port of arrival on the manifest of passenger arrival. If the ship had an outbreak of an easily communicable disease like measles you might also expect their to be a record of temporary hospitalization and/or quarantine at that port.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 22:10:38
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You did, intersting site, need somtimes an instruction to read a all the English Databases.
Ledvor/Levor could also be Levord, Livard, Lidvard.
Only Lars Eriksen Moen and wife, 2 persons age more than 14, is recorded on Rjukan even they left with 3 children, Jonas, Caroline and Christian.
Does this norwegian site show the arrivel in Quebeck June 13 with 331 passengers?
About 4,5 inches down
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 22:25:01
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Oh, I'm doing just fine with my own Ledvor from Telemark research. Don't fuss about that. He is found and I'm enjoying my usual research steps. I'm not requesting any assistance whatsoever.
I think the website you link lists an arrival in Quebec of 14 June 1868. The three children of Lars Eriksen who left from Telemark were born in 1862, 1864 and 1867. My own research style would be to order the LDS microfilm of the original passenger arrival manifest of that arrival in Quebec and look for the possible notations that didn't make it to the extraction that someone made into a webpage. |
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Admin
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/02/2009 : 23:23:50
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That link lists the same source as the LDS microfiche set that I mentioned earlier, microfiche Emigrant kartotek Telemark frem til ċr 1900 on LDS microfiche set ##6350054. That index gives no indication if the children died enroute to America.
But the link to the scanned original pages is a VERY nice touch that I've not noticed here before.
I don't see any indication that the children died before they arrived in Quebec. Doesn't that original manifest seem to list that the couple has three children (unnamed) still with them? A very dark copy for my limited eyesight. |
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