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Marlon Henvit
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 Posted - 20/03/2009 : 18:47:01
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I am searching for more information about my ancestors Hans Olsen (Kaggerud) and Marit Østensdatter. I have the following:
Han's death Vågå / Vågå 1827 - 1842 Ministerialbok. page 149 record # 54.
Marit's death Vågå / Vågå 1842 - 1856 Ministerialbok page 194 record # 1.
Their betrothel Vågå 1739 - 1810 Ministerialbok page 114, 1st column # 10.
I would like to find record of their births. According to the death records his should be about 1762 and hers about 1764. I can not seem to find them, maybe it is the language problem. Any help would be appreciated.
Marlon Henvit
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/03/2009 : 00:24:06
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Marit Østensdatter died on Pillervigen in 1847 age 86, she was hard to find in the 1801 census, it must be here wrongspelled as Marit Kristensdatter on Pillerviig, age 36, that should be born about 1763-65.
Hans could also be born about 1769? (age 32 in 1801 census).
Here she is, born 1763, hard to read Ghotic, left page 2. chapter 2. christening from bottom, two dates recorded Dom: 8 (July 24) in front of her name and Dom:10 (August 7) behind, born to Østen Siversen. Then next follows the godparents.
Dom:8 Østen Siversen bap. Marit Dom: 10, here
Hard to find Hans Olsen´s birth record born to Ole, unknown last name or farm name as most fathers are recorded with.
I found Hans Olsen born to Ole Sønstlien on Dom 3 Advent Feria 2;
Tuesday after 3. Sunday in Advent, Dec. 14. 1767.
I can not confirm if this is correct Hans Olsen (Vågå 1739-1810 page 55, right page 1. column 5. from bottom)
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Marlon Henvit
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Posted - 21/03/2009 : 18:03:08
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Thank you so much. The information I have on Hans is that he was born to Ole Hansen (Breden) and Anne Olsdatter (Slette). I don't know if that helps. I am attempting to confirm all of this. Again thanks for your efforts.
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Marlon Henvit
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Posted - 21/03/2009 : 18:19:47
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Thank you so much. The information I have on Hans is that he was born to Ole Hansen (Breden) and Anne Olsdatter (Slette). I don't know if that helps. I am attempting to confirm all of this. Again thanks for your efforts.
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Marlon Henvit
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Posted - 21/03/2009 : 18:30:30
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I have the betrothel of Ole Hansen and Anne Olsdatter on page 107, 2nd column, 10th record. 7 March 1764. But then I have her death as 1764 so this may not be correct.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/03/2009 : 21:12:29
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You are rigtht, they engaged on march 7, married June 21. 1764, left page 2 chapter 2. from bottom, here
Hans Olsen was oldset son named after his fathers father Hans (Fredriksen) so we can assume he was born after 1764.
The origin of farm Breden was Bræe
About 2 inches down tells about Ole Hansen Breden, he was born to Hans Fredriksen and Anne Simensdatter Tofte from Dovre parish in 1735, married 1764 to Anne Olsdatter Slette, he also bought Sygard Loftsgarden and Kongsparten (see links) sold 1777 and settled down on Kaggro in Heidal for four years, then he moved to Gammelplassen where he died in 1804, 71 years old, Anne died 1815, 74 years old.
Anne and Hans got seven chidren and is grandparents to the wellknown school master Hans Hansen Pillarviken.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/03/2009 : 21:25:55
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This is your Hans, he was born to Ole Hansen July 29. 1764, 2. column left page on top.
The school master Hans Hansen was Hans Olsen and Marit Østensdatters son, Marit and Hans got 9 children, three of them born after 1801.
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Marlon Henvit
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Posted - 21/03/2009 : 21:35:19
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Yes, I know about Hans Hansen Pillarviken. He was my great-great grandfather. I am descended from the daughter Marit of his first marriage. What about Anne Olsdatter. I have her death as 1764. Could this possible be correct?
Thanks for all this information.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/03/2009 : 22:47:22
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I cant find any Anne Olsdr. died 1764, I have Anne Olsdr. married 1764 born 1740.
Amazing how much information published by Bredebygden and Sel historian assosiation, I stumbled across it when you mentioned Ole Hansen Breden.
False or fact, National hero Pillar-Guri was suppposed to be from this area
Anne Simensdatter Tofte was from Dovre, born to Simen Hansen Tofte (Taulstad) and Ragnild Pålsdatter Romundgard.
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Marlon Henvit
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Posted - 22/03/2009 : 03:08:35
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What wonderful information you have given me. Thank you for all yoiur work. I notice the records for Dovre go back only to 1854 so no chance finding the birth of Ole Hansen. You say he died in Gammelplassen. What parish would that be so I could search for his death record?
Thank you again
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Kåarto
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Posted - 22/03/2009 : 12:13:08
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Gamleplassen (means the old place), no picture, also mentioned as Nedre (Lower) Moen was a sub farm under Sandbu in Bræbygden (bygden means country side) in Vågå bought by Ole Olsen Slette July 1. 1795 for 70 Riksdaler, until 1795 Ole Hansen Bræe and Anne Olsdatter lived there as lesaholders and payed for the tenancy agreeement to Sandbu up to1795.
Amaxing what a name can bring up of information.
Its a lot of rubbish concerning family trees online, this Family tree from Romundgard, Tolstad/Tofte/Taulstad and Breden looks honest and correct to me.
I can bring up some more translations from Bræbygden later tonight, some is very interseting.
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Marlon Henvit
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Posted - 22/03/2009 : 17:49:22
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When Hans Hansen Pillarviken's daughter Marit came to this country in 1881 she brought a family bible. It is still in possession of a 2nd cousin. All the information up to Hans Hansen I am confident of. I am trying to verify what was given to me several years ago. For all I know from the same web sites you have given me. I was always suspicious of the 1764 date for the death of Anne Olsdatter. Your 1815 date sounds much more reasonable. So far except for Anne Olsdatter everything seems to be checking. I have dates much older than what we have been discussing which I doubt I will ever be able to verify.
Thank you so much for all the interesting information you have been providing. I am learning so much.
Marlon Henvit
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Kåarto
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Posted - 22/03/2009 : 23:15:59
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I can´t find any Anne Olsdatter who died 1764 in Vågå.
A family bible would have been a perfect gift for a young bride who married in 1764, 24 years old Anne Olsdatter Slette.
Slette was an old farm mentioned in a document from 1440 written on Botheim when Erik Ivarsson sold his part in Slette to Torstein Pålsen and Sigurd Jonsen in Hedalen, Vågå, witnessed by three local judges.
When Ole Hansen Breden bought Kongsparten in 1771 from Ole Østensen he had to borrow money from the priests widow Inger Margrete Scheldrup, it looks like he had problems to repay for the loan and in 1783 the farm was announced sold on auction, and Madam Scheldrup bought Kongsparten for 600 Riksdaler, the sale was public announced Mai 2. 1786
Kongsparten (The kings part) earlier belonged to the king´s property.
A couriosty, Romundgard from the 1666 census, your Pål/Poffuel Olsen age 42, Postman, two sons Erlend and Ole and three servant boys Sigvard, Erich and Jovold.
The reason his wife (Mari Jacobsdatter Breden), daughters, servant maids etc. wasn´t mentioned is because the authoryties (the king) was only interested in two things, the owner of a farm (Tax payer) and men and boys: Potential soldiers.
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Marlon Henvit
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Posted - 23/03/2009 : 02:38:06
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How interesting. You are a real treasure trove of information. I did not know there were census records prior to 1801. I wonderer how many more of my ancestors might be on the 1666 census. I have trouble enough with the 1801. Is it available on line in the same manner the 1801 census is available?
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/03/2009 : 20:53:17
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The old censuses and documents are very intersting and to a great help in genealogy.
There are many censuses kept in the archivesm when they will be online is depending on volunteers from the man historian assosiations in the country.
The probate registers is a real treasure, within 5 years they will hopefully be online on Digitalarkivet.
Breden 1666, farmer Hans Jacobsen (Mari Jacobsdatter Bredens brother?), his son Fredrich, 5 servants and a two cottagers/leas holders Ife and Hans and Iffers three sons.
Slette 1666, farmer Ole Olsen, three servans and Cottager Hans Pedersen and his son Eric.
If a girl inherited a farm she was mentioned by name (Tax payer) only until she married, or a widow until oldest son takes over the farm or if she married again.
Romundgard or the old Hromundargardr is coming from mans name Hromund, Hromunds farm.
Slette means plain land and Breden is comin from Bred/Bræe: Wide
This next site owned by a Swede has to be opened in Word, about 3,5 inches down you will see "Matrikkel for Landskyld 1722" estimated value of a farm for Taxation, enter Vågå and the farms, owners and estimated value, last column tells if there was any sub farms under the farm, you will recognize many of the farms, left column nr 208 Romundgard (Rommendgaard) shows a widow as owner and tax payer, widow Ingeborg Pålsdatter.
Further down "Sjeleregister" Soul register Vågå 1736 written by the priest, few are saved, it shows every unmarried person in Vågå, boys and girls, from age 7-40, names, farm, age, the date of the confirmation, if the person could read from a book, if the person knew the contents of the Catechism, last column show the civil staus.
All this is hard to read and understand since it´s in Norwegian, but you know this information exist, and it can be translated.
Hard to bring up more information in a short time.
Good luck.
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Marlon Henvit
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Posted - 24/03/2009 : 16:37:30
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Thank you so much. You have provided me with a wealth of information it will take some time to digest it all.You have been so helpful.
Marlon Henvit
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