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KimConnerSchmitt
Junior member
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 Posted - 13/05/2009 : 16:53:55
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| I have from the Emigranter fra Trodheim that Oline Olsdatter left march 4,1881. The next stop was to Hull and then to Liverpool. But what was the connecting ship to bring her to the states. The Company was Guion and the agent was I.M. Hagen. Her full name is Oline olsdatter Ryanspladds . She would be 18years when she left norway. Any help here would be also a great help. Thanks Kim |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/05/2009 : 20:49:07
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Hi,
I think she arrived in New York on March 23rd, sailing on the SS Wyoming from Liverpool.
She is probably the one indexed as June Olddatten (18) at ancestry.com.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/05/2009 : 21:46:32
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Interesting although the Index shows her name as June Oldatten it is clear looking at the orginal image that her name there is Oline, and the last name while a little hard to read could be Oldatten or Oldatter. Her age is listed as 18, however she is listed as being male and from Sweden.
The shipping line for the Wyoming is listed as Guion. |
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KimConnerSchmitt
Junior member
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2009 : 20:45:29
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| Interesting ! Could this another error ,male and Sweden. If Sparboen is on the border of norway and sweden I might believe it. I'm not sure I quite believe this . Kim |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 21:01:53
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Sparbo is not that close to the border, but Norway was under Swedish Government in 1881...
Many Norwegians are listed as Swedish in the American immigrant lists.
I'm 100% sure this is the right woman.
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KimConnerSchmitt
Junior member
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2009 : 21:52:07
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| Ok I will go with Sweden since the Swedish goverment was in control in 1881. Does the list say any more like having a brother with same name. Kim I was told she possibly left with her brother. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 22:02:50
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I think Jan Peter is right, For one it is hard to beleive that a Swedish man travelling to the US would have the last name Olsdatter or even Oldatter. Secondly she is really not labelled m and Swedish, She has ditto marks for "Sex" and "The country to which they orginally belonged". The m for Sex belongs to James Campbell two lines above Oline, The Swedish belongs to a Martin Andressen one line above. Her lilne has two ditto marks.
Could the person orginally writing up the manifest have made an error, certainly. After all the person writing up the Index called her June. When I look at the first name it clearly looks to me like Oline. But I have the advantage of looking for Oline. Blowing up the last name as high as I can it looks to me like it is Olddatter or Olddatten.
Further searching the Ancestry.com Immigration Data Base quite extensively, I can not find another candidate as good a match as this one.
If you could live with Niels being called Wilheim, you might have to settle for Oline being labelled a Swedish male. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 22:17:26
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This Martin Andressen is one of the proof that this June Olddatten is the right woman.
Martin is also from Sparbu, and looks to be Oline's travelling companion. He is listed just above Oline in the list of Emigrants from Trondheim, and is using the same agent I. M. Hagen, and travelling with the same Guion line.
Thus; they would have arrived on the same ship in America.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 23:16:10
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| The fact that she is travelling with Martin Andressen could be one explanation as to how she came to be labelled Swedish. The person filling out the manifest could have easily assumed that she was Swedish as well |
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KimConnerSchmitt
Junior member
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 23:21:17
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That was the name I was looking for.Martin was listed with her on the ship list from Trodheim. I will just have to chuckle about the swedish male too.
I was wondering how would one go about finding information on someone say for an example Niels and his family. They landed in New york but their destination would be Minneasota. What would be the best way to follow their travel path to minneasota? I know thier ticket also mentioned Chicago as well. In 1880 census their were listed in Minneasota. Any ideas? Kim |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 23:30:09
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| Must have been a fairly small ship. The total number of passengers was 124. 33 in cabin, 24 in 2nd cabin and 67 in steerage. A large majority of the passengers were English and Irish. A few were German and French, about eight or so. Besides Olin and Martin there were five other passengers from Sweden. None labelled Norwegian and none with a name resembling Olsdatter. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 23:45:49
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| Now that you mentioned a brother, the only other possible candidate that I came across arrived on the ship State of Nebraska on 25 March 1881. The only name given is Olsdatter and she is listed on the manifest as being 18 and from Norway. The manifest has been damaged and the first name can not be read. The name above her is Olsen also Norwegian and 35 years old born about 1846 and from Norway. Again the damaged manifest makes it impossible to read his first name. Would her brrother have been that much older then her. |
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KimConnerSchmitt
Junior member
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Posted - 14/05/2009 : 23:58:01
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| She did have an older brother Svend who was born in 1856 and a sisterLina who was born 1849. If thats any help. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/05/2009 : 00:47:38
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| No, according to the manifest the unknown Olsen would have to have been born in 1846. Svend would have been listed on the manifest as 25 not 35. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2009 : 00:50:55
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| Kim, I forgot to ask you, Did you ever try and click on either of the two Messages from Ancestry.com on the line "Click here to see the Image..........". If you did and you could see the image of the orginal manifest, I would send you this one as well. If it does not work then there probably is no reason to try. The Messages are quite easy to send and it might be easier for you to evaluate the Manifest if you are able to look at it. |
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KimConnerSchmitt
Junior member
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Posted - 15/05/2009 : 01:31:37
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| When I looked at your emails at home I saw the messages but didn't think to check on ancestory tab. So after that I deleted them. You can try it again and I will remeber to click on ancestory this time. I also believe the correct manifest is the one with martin. He and Oline came from the same farm in Sparbo.(Ryanpladds). Even in the church records martin and oline were listed leaving the churchin the same month. Maybe oline just had someone with her from the same farm to leave at the same time. Kim |
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1881 Argo Connection
