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John Foley
Ireland-Norway special member
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 Posted - 02/06/2009 : 16:32:39
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| Some information required on Norwegian Merchant ship "Juno" Captain Carlsen, from Antwerp to New York August 1880. any info. would be appreciated. |
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Edited by - John Foley on 02/06/2009 16:42:29 |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/06/2009 : 19:23:05
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There is information on this site about the Juno:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ships.asp?Ship=Juno&Submit=Submit
it was a feeder ship that took Norwegian emigrants (and cargo) from Norway to Hull & London, England.
There is no record on the Ancestry.com NY Passenger list database showing a Juno arriving in Aug. 1880. More information would be helpful, like, where did you get this information, etc. |
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John Foley
Ireland-Norway special member
Ireland
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Posted - 03/06/2009 : 11:40:45
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Jo Anne
London August 12th 1880.
A ship boarded in Cork Harbour by a large party, and forty stand of arms carried off.
London, August 12, 1880 a telegram from the Central News Association” At one o’clock this morning a large party of men left the shore in six whale boats and boarded the Norwegian ship Juno, Capt. Carlsen, from Antwerp, May 15, for New York which is repairing in Passage (Passage West) in Cork Harbour Ireland.
They went into the hold of the vessel and stole three cases of rifles which formed part of her cargo, Fully 100 men were engaged in the robbery of arms from the Juno there were seven small boats each carrying seven men,”
August 13th 1880 New York Times
“House of Commons London, the Right Honourable William E. Foster Chief Secretary for Ireland, in reply to an enquiry stated that 60 men had boarded the Norwegian ship Juno secured the Captain and officers and taken away 47 muskets.”
New York Times, August 13th 1880,
The Captain (Capt. Carlsen) has received a letter bearing the Cork postmark apologising for the trouble given him and stating that the guns were not what was expected. The raiders thought they were breach loaders and if such had been the case the writer assured the Captain they would have given him a draft on their friends in New York for their full value. The police removed the remainder of the arms from the Juno. A number of gags were found on the wharf, the boats were pulled with muffled oars.
Later in the year 1880 the Juno again appears in official correspondence, an unhappy accident ?
“ANOTHER SEIZURE OF ARMS ON THE SHIP JUNO
THE VESSEL AND CARGO TAKEN POSSESSION OF BY OFFICERS,.-TROOPS BEING FORWARDED TO THE DISTURBED DISTRICTS.-LAND LEAGUE AGITATION IN THE NORTH OF IRELAND.
Times London, Dec. 23 1880. A telegram from Dublin states that the customs authorities yesterday seized the Norwegian ship Juno Capt. Carlson, in Clare River, near the mouth of the Shannon. Her cargo consisting of arms was being landed. Three wagon-loads had already been landed. A force of marines and artillery has charge of the vessel. The telegram also states that a number of young men recently arrived from America are under Police surveillance. The ship Juno is from Cork, for Baltimore, with railway Iron and arms, mostly obsolete carbines and revolvers, she was taken in tow disabled by a tug and brought to Limerick where she is now under repair.”
“A dispatch from Dublin says the ship Juno is the same vessel from which arms were stolen some time ago in Cork Harbour. The ship has been knocking about for six months on her way to the United States. The authorities will keep charge of her until the arms have been removed.”
New York Times December 24th 1880
The "gun running" was played down by the newspapers,
“The London Times: December 1880, the reported seizure of a cargo of arms appears to have originated in error or exaggeration. Even if no importation of arms for the purpose of Irish American Fenianism were to be feared the danger of allowing an excited and lawless population to carry about guns and pistols is manifest.”
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Edited by - John Foley on 03/06/2009 11:50:28 |
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/06/2009 : 18:38:52
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Well, it is obvious that it is a different Juno.
The same articles are in the New York Times Archives, but no mention in the archives of the arrival of a ship named Juno.
Checked the NY Passenger lists for the year 1880 and no Juno shows up.
Maybe the Norwegian Maritime Museum could be of some help. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/06/2009 : 23:59:53
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The Juno also does not seem to carry many passengers when it comes to New York. The New York Passenger Lists 1820-1957 show only two voyages around the 1880 time frame. One arrival on 16 apr 1873 and next arrival on 2 jan 1886. For both arrivals, only one passenger is listed.
The Juno did arrive in Philadelphia on 28 Oct 1879 from Para, Brazil, again with one passenger.
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John Foley
Ireland-Norway special member
Ireland
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Posted - 05/06/2009 : 12:11:26
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Thank you for your help, the merchant vessels generally do not appear on the usual passenger lists, perhaps local "shipping Intellegence" or reports of shipping traffic regardless of type will prove useful. I will continue searching.
The "Juno" episode was one of a number of unusual shipping movements which came to the notice of the authorities in Ireland. The Norwegian element is interesting when viewed with the robust defence, in the British Parliament, of the Norwegian stance in negotiations with Sweden, the recorded Irish members Q&A in the London Parliament displays an in depth knowledge of the Norwegian and Swedish issues of the day. The questioning of the pro Swedish British government ministers may have been the result of effective lobbying by Norwegian interests.
The Norwegian Swedish issue was used as a scare tactic in delaying the progress of the "Irish Home Rule Bill" . The Norwegian right to foreign representation was an avenue the British Parliament feared the Irish interests would follow. |
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Edited by - John Foley on 05/06/2009 17:17:48 |
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John Foley
Ireland-Norway special member
Ireland
109 Posts |
Posted - 27/07/2009 : 00:12:07
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Information on the Norwegian merchant vessel “Juno”
Norwegian merchant vessel “Juno”
On yesterday morning before sunrise, the Juno, which had been lying in Scattery roads for the past 10 days, where she was lightened of part of her cargo, was towed up the river by the Commodore tug, and safely berthed in the south-east end of the dock alongside the Norwegian derelict Tordenskiolde. From the time of her arrival in the Shannon the vessel has been closely guarded day and night by armed Coast Guards, Marines and Constabulary. This precaution was rendered necessary in consequence of the raid for arms having been made about six months ago upon this ship as she lay in the graving dock at Passage West, below Cork, when a large number of old firearms were taken out of her hold, but which were subsequently recovered by the Constabulary. In addition to miscellaneous cargo of old rails and iron-ore. The Juno has a consignment of forty chests of rifles and sword bayonets, each box containing forty stand of arms-in all, 1,600-and it was with the view of preventing a raid being made on the ship for those arms that the authorities, at the request of the owners-a company of Norwegian merchants- have placed a guard of 20 Marines a constable and five sub-constables in charge of the vessel. In addition to the rifles, the Juno has a large supply of ordnance and rifle ammunition. The Juno is a large three-masted ship, drawing 21 feet aft and 20 feet forward, and she has a stowage capacity of about 2,500 tons. She is one of those Australian or China tea liners, condemned under the “Plimsoll’s Act,” and which have had to give way to the stronger and surer iron or steel screw steamer that can make the voyage by way of the Suez Canal to Bombay, Calcutta, Shanghai, Sydney or Melbourne in one fourth of the time formerly made round the Cape of Good Hope. It is about eight months ago since the vessel left Antwerp, bound for New York, with her miscellaneous cargo, but having encountered storms in the Atlantic, she had to put back into Queenstown, and was towed to Passage where she underwent repairs. In May last she left Queenstown for her port of destination-and only reached a certain latitude when she encountered terrible gales in the Atlantic and was beaten about so much that she was driven to a port in Norway which she left and tried to reach New York again but meeting with a renewal storms she got such a shaking as to have sprung a leak and having been found by the Commodore off the Kerry coast in distress she was towed into the Shannon. Were it not that she possessed iron mainmasts, which withstood the forces of the tempests that lashed her with the billows of the Atlantic, she would have been lost, for timber masts would have snapped or been blown out of her. The cargo is being discharged out of the vessel, a great portion of the rails and iron already landed and when the entire cargo has been unshipped, the vessel will be placed in the dry dock and overhauled and perhaps refitted, so that in that case about £2,000 will have been expended in repairs thus fulfilling the old adage that “it is an ill wind which does not blow somebody good” The Juno has exchanged several masters since she sailed from Antwerp. The arms on board are refuse of the Franco-German war and were purchased at Antwerp either to be broken up, or sent to Africa to be sold to Zulus or Besantos for their own destruction. The vessel has cost her owners an enormous amount of money in refits since she was purchased.
Marine Intelligence,
Saturday Evening,
December 18th.1880
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Norwegian Merchant Ship "Juno"
