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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 22/07/2009 : 20:54:22
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I am sure they are all recorded in one of these records either in Glemmen or Fredrikstad, some records is hard to read bacause of bad or blurred ink.
The heading, what period, is in Norwegian, the instuction is in English.
I looked into the probateregisters for Fredrikstad 1833-71, Carls 1. wife Karine Sørensdr. wasn´t recorded there.
Any confimation record for the children could be to a great help, possible migration records, death records.
I have a strong feeling Carl Severin´s 1. wife died.
Kåre
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Barbara L
Starting member
New Zealand
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Posted - 23/07/2009 : 00:59:27
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I certainly hope so - otherwise he shouldn't have married Mina!
Now that I know the children's names,I can have another look on NZ records to see if they came here with him,or perhaps later with another family.
I am sure you are right & I'll study the records carefully,now that I have an idea of how to go about it .
I am so appreciative of the help I have received and already have 100% more information than I did a week ago 
Thankyou all
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Barbara L
Starting member
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Posted - 24/07/2009 : 07:35:23
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I have had an idea - please feel free to say no!
I mentioned that the gedcom I was sent has notes written in Norwegian.The most extensive notes refer to Andreas Peter & I have spent most of this afternoon trying to translate them using both the Family Search dictionary and the Norwegian/American dictionary ,Many of the words are not there,probably because they are unique words.I think most of it must refer to Andreas' military service.
If I cut and pasted the notes on here,would you mind having a look to see if there is any information which could be useful? I think there is a name at the end which might possibly be the author of the gedcom.
If this is too much to ask,I quite understand 
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/07/2009 : 09:41:08
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That was a good idea.
It would be of great interest to see what information you have on Andreas Peter and to get it translated later today.
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Barbara L
Starting member
New Zealand
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Posted - 24/07/2009 : 12:49:47
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Great!
Here are the notes for Andreas Peter:
Sammanfattning:
Andreas Peter Hedenström inrullerades och presenterades för
Nordenfjällska infanteriregimentet den 28 oktober 1794. Troligt-
vis sker detta i Fredrikstad. Andreas Peter som bara var 15 år
inrullerades tillsammans med brodern N.N. Hedenström som uppgavs
vara 17 år gammal. Engagemangstiden lyder på 10 år och bröderna
svor trohetsed till fanan den 12 november 1794. Då Andreas Peter
bara var 15 år fick han sin värvningstid beräknad först f.o.m.
nyår 1795. Den man som sörjde för Andreas Peters "optak" vid
kompaniet hette Nystierna.
I Folketellinga 1801 anges han 26 år gammal(!)(och i så fall född
1775), ogift och boende i "Friederichstad prestegeld,
Friederichstad Faestning" hus 24". Ser ut att bo hos Christian
Johannesson, 32 år gammal, Oboist och hans hustru Karen
Tobiasdotter 26 år gammal."
Andreas Peter tjänar regementet kontinuerligt 1794 - 1807. År l8O7
går han över i svensk tjänst, hur länge och vart har ej
kunnat utrönas. År 1812 är han emellertid tillbaka vid regementet.
Han anges då gift och har fyra barn.
Uppgifter om barnens faddrar.
Niels Fredericks faddrar:Döpt 28/10 1808: Faddrar: Kapten Fogner,
Löjtnant Molssöe, Löjtnant Solberg, Madame Mossin, Jungfru Lassen.
Jens Kristians faddrar: döpt 1811 10 13 i Fredrikstad. Sergeant
Rosenlund, houbist Anderssen, houbist Fornebue, Elin Maria lind,
Annicken Svensdatter, Sophia Randine Eriksdatter
Karl Gustavs faddrar: Döpt den 23/3 1815: Faddrar: Brede
Anderssen, Lars Fornebue, Ole Nielsen Damen, Bette Lockeberg,
Ingeborg Olsdatter, Merte Friedricksdatter
Georg Fritz faddrar: Döpt 1818 23/1? i Halden: Faddrar: Prost
David Brunius, Captein Garbe, Lieutnant Rurite ? Matsson, Madame
Jörgenssen, ? Skytte, Larkin A. Vernudman. (texten svårtydd!
förf.anm.)
Thankyou
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/07/2009 : 22:08:26
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Here we go:
Summary:
Andreas Peter Hedenström was enlisted and presented for the Nordenfjällske infantry regiment October 28 1794. Most likely this took place in Fredrikstad. Andreas Peter who was only 15 years old was enlisted together with his brother N.N Hedenstrøm who was stated to be 17 years old. Time for the employment was 10 years and the brothers vowed fidelity to the banner on November 12 1794. Since Andreas Peter was only 15 years he got his employment calculated from New Year 1795. The man who was responsible for Andreas Peters enlistment in the company was Nystierna.
Andreas Peter served the regiment continously 1794 – 1807. In 1807 he transferred to Swedish service, how long and where has not been possible to account for. In 1812 however he is back with the regiment. He is then stated as married and having four children.
Information on the childrens godparents.
Niels Fredericks godparents: Baptized October 28 1808: Godparents Captain Fogner, Lieutenant Molssøe, Lieutenant Solberg, Madame Mossin, Maiden Lassen.
Jens Kristians godparents: Baptized October 13 1811 in Fredrikstad. Sergeant Rosenlund, Gunner Anderssen, Gunner Fornebue, Elin Maria Lind, Annicken Svensdatter, Sophia Randine Eriksdatter
Karl Gustavs godparents: Baptized March 23 1815: Godparents: Brede Anderssen, Lars Fornebue, Ole Nielsen Damen, Bette Lockeberg, Ingeborg Olsdatter, Merte Friedricksdatter
Georg Fritz godparents: Baptized Jan 23 1818 in Halden: Godparents: Dean David Brunius, Captain Garbe, Lieutenant Rurite ? Matsson, Madame Jörgenssen, ? Skytte, Larkin A. Vernudman
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/07/2009 : 22:12:14
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Georg Fritz baptismal record is #12
he was the 7th child, 6 were living.
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Faddrar: Prost David Brunius, Captein Garbe, Lieutnant Rurite ? Matsson, Madame Jörgenssen, ? Skytte, Larkin A. Vernudman.
- should be Prost David Brunius, Captein Garben, Lieutnant Radich, Student Hansen, Madame Jörgenssen, Madame Skytte, Frøken A. Hiermannsen. |
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Edited by - eibache on 24/07/2009 22:29:49 |
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Barbara L
Starting member
New Zealand
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Posted - 25/07/2009 : 00:08:59
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Wonderful !!
Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2009 : 06:58:39
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quote:
I Folketellinga 1801 anges han 26 år gammal(!)(och i så fall född
1775), ogift och boende i "Friederichstad prestegeld,
Friederichstad Faestning" hus 24". Ser ut att bo hos Christian
Johannesson, 32 år gammal, Oboist och hans hustru Karen
Tobiasdotter 26 år gammal."
sorry, this was left out, it says:
In the 1801 census he is stated as 26 years old (!) (and in thatcase born 1775), and married and living in Friederichstad parish, Friederichstad fortress house 24. It looks like he is living at Christian
Johannesson, 32 years old, obo player and his wife Karen
Tobiasdotter 26 years old.
Here he is in the 1801 census.
Regarding Houboist/houtboist this may be of interest.
Please also note that godparents with the title "houbist" should be translated musician not gunner. |
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Edited by - eibache on 25/07/2009 07:14:36 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2009 : 07:35:00
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Andreas Peter Hejdenstrøm married Søverine Christiansdatter Febr 13 1801, see top record on left page.
On Aug 28 1803 they baptized a son Andreas Pether, see 2nd record on right page
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Barbara L
Starting member
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Posted - 25/07/2009 : 08:54:38
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Thankyou eibache
It was only after I had printed out your translation that I realised this can't be Karl's father, but his grandfather ? That is even better.
I googled the name Nysternia today - jut because I was interested to see what nationalty the person was ,and came up with a reference in Norwegian,which was an old post on another message board (1999) someone looking for an Hoboisten Nystierna.
What caught my eye was the name Andreas Peter Heidenstrom in the message ! so I "asked" google to translate ,which it did ,though not entirely correctly.Andreas Peter's father was deceased when he enlisted and was Swedish !!
How lucky is that (or not - I haven't a clue about Swedish records either)
I don't know how to post a link on here,otherwise I would.
I am intrigued about the musical aspect - was it a requirement that an enlisted man had to play an instrument? And did they see any active service?
I will now go and add this new information to my collection
Thankyou
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Barbara L
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Posted - 25/07/2009 : 09:54:01
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Oops - forget what I just asked about the regiment 
I should have looked at your link first.Fascinating! |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/07/2009 : 10:43:35
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You are right, I always thought Hedenstrøm was a Swedish name.
The part of the family who settled down in Norway changed to Heidenstrøm.
Nystierna was a Hoboist, a military musician playing any woodwind instrument.
Can be mixed up with an Oboist, I use Hoboist as profession.
Here is a translation from the Swedish genealogy assosiation "Anbytarforum" searching for Nystierna in Sweden you Googled, see here.
The Hoboist Nystierna died 1800, 51 years old, in Fredrikstad. He was there alredy in 1794 when a young Swedish boy, Andreas Peter Hedensrøm (the late father was also supposed to have been an Hoboist) was enlisted in Nordenfjeldske infantry Reigiment.
The boy was also an Hoboist, he married and leaves a large family in Norway, they later changed name to Heidenstrøm.
In my contack with Norwegian genealogists, they are all covinced that the Hoboist Nystierna was from Sweden since he is not recorded in the 1769 census for Fredrikstad.
Has anyone seen that name?
The rest of the link is information about the seach for Nystierna in Sweden.
Andreas Peter Hedenstrøm, the younger, died on Trosvigberget in Glemmen Feb. 5. and was buried in Glemmen cemetery Feb. 12. 1849, age 47, 5, #13
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/07/2009 : 11:35:03
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Andreas Pether Hejdenstrøm and Søverina Christiansdatter baptized a Niels Friderich Febr. 9 1806, see bottom of left page
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/07/2009 : 11:39:52
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I mentioned that the gedcom I was sent has notes written in Norwegian.
based on the wording of the note I believe it's origin is Sweden.
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Karl Peter Severin Heidenstrom
