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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 06/08/2009 : 16:02:13
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Thank you both for the explonation.
Nils changed between English and Norwegian when he stated his professsion to the clerk in Bergen.
Perhaps he needed an explonation too.
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Melanie Taylor
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Posted - 06/08/2009 : 17:26:17
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Nils changed between English and Norwegian when he stated his professsion to the clerk in Bergen.
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That's very interesting! I guess by 1908, 33 yrs since they came over to this side of "the pond", Nels had gotten used to conversing in English, and did like many people do, intertwine the two languages when at a loss for translation. Very interesting! I'd always wondered how much English he had learned. Of two stories that have passed down, one is that Nels and Martha used Norwegian as a secret language between the two of them and did not teach the children. :-( And the other, is that he spoke Norwegian with their Swedish neighbors, prompting Nels' son's mother-in-law to eventually write, for a neighborhood memory book, that Nels' accent was the hardest of all for Swedes to understand. I imagine this is because he came from the Western Coast of Norway, where my cousins speak a Nynorsk dialect at home, which is even less like Swedish than what is spoken on the Eastern Coast of Norway... any other thoughts on this? |
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Melanie Taylor
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Posted - 06/08/2009 : 17:44:26
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I found a few more family members who came over:
År Nr. Dato Tittel Førenamn Mellomnamn Etternamn Alder Fødd år Kjønn Fødestad Heimstad Sivilstand Billett Yrke Mål Årsak Nytt yrke Linje Avgift Merknad
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1886 176 18/3 Anders Mikkelsen Morland 30 1856 m Fjeld Fjeld ug Inmann Linje Pladsmandsøn Arbeidskarl
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1892 1964 23/6 Johannes Monsen Morland 55 1837 m Haus Fjeld g Grdmand
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1892 1965 23/6 Anne Johannesdatter Morland 55 1837 f Haus Fjeld g
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1892 1966 23/6 Marthe Olsdatter Morland 74 1818 f Evanger Fjeld E. Grdmdsenke
I believe that Anders Mikkelsen was a nephew of Nels who worked with him on the RR, and the others are family of Martha, including her mother. So, family members did travel in 1892, as I was told, but neither Nels nor Martha appear to have travelled with them. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 08:19:30
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Hi,
Norway has two official languages, Nynorsk and Bokmål.
The "secret" language Nynorsk Nils and Martha used betwen them was a smart solution for the parents.
Perhaps the children disagreed in that.
Mixed with the local dialect fom Fjell no wonder the Swedish neighbors had trouble in understanding them, even today many Swedes has trouble to understand Norwegian.
The Norwegian "Bokmål" and Danish written language is very similar even today, after 400 years in union the influence was large.
The written early 1900 Norwegian is more like todays Danish language.
Some say it´s more dialects than people living in Norway and it can be difficult to understand some of the dialects from western Norway.
Writing in dialect is more and more ordinary.
I remember some tv-programs made by Erik Bye in the early 1960ts.
He visited Norwegian American farmers in N. and S. Dakota, Minnesota and Wisc., none of them had ever been to Norway.
They talked perfect 1800 Norwegian language in varying local dialects depending on where the parent/grandparents came from, fairly different from todays Norwegian.
It was facinating to watch, they vere all very down-to-earth people and the hospilatity they showed were touching.
Since 50% of the population emigrated in a period of 80 years a Norwegian should have the same numbers of cousins in USA as here.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 14:01:19
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Nils and Martha emigrated 1875.
1881 Lars Mikkelsen Morland born 1859, cottagers son, unmarried
1886 Anders Mikkeløsen born 1856 cottagers son, unmarried "Arbeidskarl" Laborer
1882 Johannes Monsen born 1837 in Haus, married farmer in Fjell municipality and wife Anne
1892 Marthe Olsdatter born 1818 Evanger, farmers widow.
It was total 22 persons with last name Morald who emigrated from Bergen between 1875-1925, liklely not all where from the same family.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 14:28:46
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Have you seen this?
Nils parents Anders Nilsen Midtvedt and Gjetrud Grimsdatter Søndre Fjelde here .
He was a widower when they married June 28. 1835 in Sund parish. Fathers: Nils Vincentsen and Grim Larsen.
Best men: Mons Christensen Midtvedt and Nils Olsen Midtvedt.
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Melanie Taylor
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Posted - 08/08/2009 : 05:39:53
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Hei, Kåre.
No, I had not found Nils' parents' wedding record yet. Thank you for the information.
I didn't know about the tv-programs made by Erik Bye, either. I would love to see them someday. I think my Sons of Norway lodge would enjoy seeing them, too. I wonder if and where I might find a copy... I hope they still exist in some form. |
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S/S Indiana to Philadelphia 1875
