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KimConnerSchmitt
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 10/08/2009 : 23:00:38
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That database lists departures from Oslo/Kristiania, not Trondheim.
If you search that database again but this time look for all the names for the ship Island leaving on that date you'd have a list of names which will correspond strongly to a "passenger list".
The National Archives and the LDS Family History Library have microfilm copies of the original New York arriving passenger lists that you can use. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 23:57:11
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Searching the ancestry.com files this is the only good match for the data you have provided. The last name misspelling may be possible.
Name: Otto Glorrigen
Arrival Date: 7 Sep 1883
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Copenhagen, Denmark
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Norway
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Norwegian
Ship Name: Island
Search Ship Database: Search the Island in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 11
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_469
List Number: 1142
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
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KimConnerSchmitt
Junior member
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 00:10:59
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| Thanks Lyndal40 I was just on NARA and LDS to see if they had the microfisch for the volumes I was looking for. Kim |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2009 : 00:49:30
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I'm sure it would be available on microfilm (not microfiche). If you are sure the ship was sailing from Oslo/Kristiania to New York and that the date is correct for the arrival then I'd expect to find that passenger list on the following LDS microfilm:
Passenger lists 8 Aug 1883-7 Sep 1883 FHL US/CAN Film 1027039 |
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KimConnerSchmitt
Junior member
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 01:50:02
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| I'm Pretty sure!!! Even though the last name is spelled wrong I believe it Otto. Plus I found it in the LDS .Thanks for the rest of the information. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 06:57:13
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I'm ooking for Otto Olson Glorvigen Born 1860 Norway
Otto Glorvigen was partly covered in an earlier topic, but not his ancestors in Norway.
His parents were Ole Knudsen and Olea Andersdatter.
Ole Knudsens bapt record is #44 he was born April 10 1821 and his parents were Knud Torstensen and Kari Olsdatter at the Siølie (Sjøli) farm.
Widower Knud Torstensen and widow Kari Olsdatter were married March 12 1820, see #13
Olea Andersdatter was born Sept 11 1826, see #180 her parents were Anders Toresen and Olea Christiansdatter at the Melbye farm. |
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KimConnerSchmitt
Junior member
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Posted - 12/08/2009 : 02:43:03
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| Thankyou Eibache.!!! This will be neat to add to the family tree. Kim |
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Lislcat
Advanced member
USA
690 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 06:02:46
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I have a quick question for someone regarding the LDS microfilm, since it was suggested that Kim get the LDS records. Since many of the Ancestry.com records come from the LDS records, what information will be gained from getting the LDS records? I'm just curious as to what the difference will be and if there is more information to be gained. I thought Ancestry. com had access to all of the LDS records. If I am wrong, I'd like to hear about that.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/08/2009 : 06:31:34
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According to the marriage record Knud Torstensen came from Opsahl and Kari Olsdatter from Sjøli. Knud in the 1801 census and Kari at Siølie store in 1801.
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/08/2009 : 08:48:02
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Ancestry.com does not have the exact same databases as Familysearch.org or Rootsweb.org or any other website Many subscription Ancestry.com databases are free on other websites.
Much of the Ancestry.com & Familysearch information is just "stuff" that people have posted to the site, it does not mean it is correct or properly documented, alot of times it is just information that has been copied and pasted from other undocumented sources. You can see the same person listed several diiferent ways. Just because something is on the Internet doesn't make it correct.
One must get information from as many sources as possible, they differ greatly and are not necessarily correct. Getting as much information from different sources as possible will help in arriving at a correct solution. There is nothing better than have a primary source, ie: church records on Digilarkivet., even the census records are secondary resources, they were done for statistical purposes, not for family history research. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/08/2009 : 13:59:18
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The LDS resources I recommended above are microfilm of the original documents, in that case original passenger lists. In the collection of the LDS Family History Library they have millions of original records which have been copied to microfilm or microfiche - records from all over the world.
The LDS are still microfilming and scanning huge numbers of original records every week. Just last year a LDS filming team was in my local county's vital records office microfilming/scanning death and marriage records for the collection. They'd filmed here some years ago but were back to get the more recent records.
The Ancestral File, Pedigree Resource File and to some extent the IGI (International Genealogical Index) records that the LDS maintain do contain a great deal of material turned in by individuals and can be as accurate or as non-factual as a family tree submitted to Ancestry or World Family Tree, etc. I don't consider those "family trees" to be trustworthy information unless I thoroughly and completely find solid evidence to prove them correct. Far too many are just bad information done by people who don't know how to properly document a family tree.
But the microfilms and microfiche of original records are the true gold of the LDS collection. Their offline collection far FAR exceeds that of Ancestry.com. For example, right now I can review on LDS microfilm at my nearby little Family History Center a 1855 New York State census for Madison Co. NY; a probate index for all of Hadeland and Land areas of Oppland, Norway; the earliest records of a tiny Norwegian Lutheran church founded by new emigrants in Buena Vista Co. IA; records of the catholic church in Monclova, Mexico; the original passenger arrival list for the SS Oceanic into New York in May 1903; the complete eight volume series of bygdeboks for Odda, Ullensvang and Kinsarvik [Hordaland]; church baptismal/marriage/death records from Erfurt, Germany; and copies of all the Norwegian church records still surviving for every different parish in Norway where I had ancestors once live. I've been using the Norwegian church records on LDS microfilm long before the scanned images were even started to be offered at the Digitalarkivet website.
Ancestry.com does not offer all the same records as are in the LDS Family History Library collection. If you are in the Family History Library in Salt Lake City you can walk in and use any book, microfilm or microfiche for free. If you are any distance away you can order any microfilm or microfiche to be sent to the remote Family History Center nearest to you for your use for the a charge which covers their cost of shipping the film/fiche. The LDS have also started to scan records and make them available online (again for no cost) - but that project will take a long long time because of the massive collection that they have accumulated. Just last night I was using their online scans of the 1850 US census right here from my easy chair - no subscription fee. |
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Lislcat
Advanced member
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Posted - 13/08/2009 : 21:21:28
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Thank you so much for the explanation!!!! I never trust anything that isn't sourced. It's the librarian in me, so I never use the things that are listed on Ancestry by other people or the info on the LDS site that is put on there by others. The records that I do use on there, are the immigration records, the censuses, birth and death records, etc... Only things that I can see where it was taken from the source. Having bygdeboks on microfilm would be wonderful! I will have to search for the ones that I am interested in. The reason that I asked about this, was because of a past experience that I had with requesting microfilm from the LDS FHL collection, It basically had the same record that I found on Ancestry, so I was wondering if it was always that way. Glad to hear that there is more info out there to be found!
Thanks again for the detailed explanation! I truly appreciate it!
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/08/2009 : 13:26:15
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If you think you'll like the bygdeboks that are on microfilm/fiche just wait until the first time you wander into the bookshelves for Norwegian books in the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. It's like HEAVEN walking through the stacks and just running a finger along the book spines of the shelves and shelves of bygdeboks! I've saved up enough to have been able to have visited twice in past years and it was thrilling for me. (Saving for my next trip again now and organizing a 'to-do' list so that I don't waste a minute while I'm there.)
The Library in Salt Lake City had organized a project to try to have volunteers extract the names and vital date information from their massive collection of Norwegian bygdeboks. When they started they thought the project would be fairly quick but it has stretched on for several years and I haven't heard any progress reports.
I work as a volunteer staff member at my little nearby LDS Family History Center one day a week and I love having 'newbies' ask me to sit down with them at the computer and show them how to effectively use the Library catalog. Not all the materials available in Salt Lake City have been put into microform that we can order locally - but a huge huge number have.
Exploring by using the 'Place Search' function of the online catalog is a good place to start -- but keep in mind that it doesn't allow a great deal of spelling flexibility. If you are unsure of how the catalog might be listing the spelling of a parish/district within Oppland (just for example) then do the place search for Oppland. When you've pulled up the catalog's screen for Oppland that offers a button in the top right hand corner of the window that reads 'View Related Places' you can use that to have it give you an alphabetical list of the place names in Oppland that they have resources available for and then explore the topics for that specific area to find what they have in their collection. If an item is available in either microfilm or microfiche copy the window of the detail description of the item will have a button in the upper right that reads 'View Film Notes'. |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 14/08/2009 : 16:35:18
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Thanks Hopkins! It's funny that you mentioned that, because that was the type of searching that I was doing in the LDS catalog last night. I have been lucky in the past, since most of the bygdeboks that I needed were available through OLL or ILL, but having them on microfilm/fiche would be very nice. I will get to Salt Lake City and the FHL is the first place I will go!
Thanks again! |
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Passenger list for SS Island
