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Linda Raymond
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eibache
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 Posted - 02/08/2009 : 18:09:13
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For the record Hans Caspar was baptized Dec 25 1777, see 4th record at that date on right page. His parents were living at Asdal.
Melchior was baptized June 11 1769, see top record on right page
Ole was baptized Dec 2 1770 see left page
Since Hans Casper was an enlisted sailor in 1801 it is most likely that he was serving in Denmark. |
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Edited by - eibache on 02/08/2009 18:23:51 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/08/2009 : 18:19:45
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Hans Casper Gierulfsen was an unmaried "Strandsidder og enroull. matros"
Matros means seaman, but Hans Casper was enroull. (enroullered), a recruited seaman in the Norwegian/Danish navy.
Strandsidder means he rented a house or room at the beach.
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Linda Raymond
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Posted - 02/08/2009 : 20:58:28
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Thanks for the info. I cannot tie the pieces together using these resources, even though I have amassed an extensive number of records from parish registers, censuses, FamilySearch, Dis-Norge, Ancestry.com, geneology.com, etc. I have been stuck for between two and three years and unfortunately these records just confirm that these individuals were born and lived in Norway at some points.
What I would really like to know is how to find any other information about the family beyond what is in the typical online resources. I have already tried having the bygdebok checked and I was advised there is nothing. However I have also been advised by another individual that there should be as there is a large concentration of Gierulfsens in Aust-Agder, especially in Oyestad, and the bygdebok should have something that would help. It didn't so I am floundering again.
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Hopkins
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Posted - 02/08/2009 : 22:02:10
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No man can know when he is young where he will be in later life. If your adult Hans Casper in Denmark never was recorded with information about where he had been born or had come from as a child I don't see how you can find such definitive proof in Norway as you desire that these are the same person.
You could possibly list the evidence of PROBABILITY or your level of SURETY and hope to eventually find evidence in Denmark. |
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Hopkins
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Kċarto
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Posted - 02/08/2009 : 23:14:42
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The probate registers will be online within some years.
The military records 1805-1835 for Arendal exist, but not online yet.
LDS records also have:
Hans Casper Gierulfsen married Wilhelmine Erichsdatter on July 10. 1814 Knebel, Randers town, Denmark.
No information about nationality, age, father etc. exist.
From what I see you have been working very hard on this family, I wish you good luck. You will suceed.
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Linda Raymond
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Posted - 03/08/2009 : 08:06:46
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Hmmmm. I'm not sure how to address some of the statements and assumptions and use of capitilization ( yelling?).
I have to say a great big thanks to everyone who made such an effort to be helpful. And Kċarto is absolutely correct.  I have had the information "confirm(ed) in some way" and no one need take any more time to look any further.
I can assure everyone that there was no extra work intentionally asked for in addition to the "long thread" referenced. At the time I originally posted it was irrelevant, caused in part due to my trying to be too specific. When I posted here I thought it was a dead end so I decided to try a totally different approach, instead of repeating what was not working. I did provide all of the relevant information that was available in the other thread.
Thanks again.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 03/08/2009 : 17:25:11
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I found in one of your postings that Hans Casper´s son Hans Christian was born March 20. 1807 in Copenhagen.
On Sept 2. 1807 Copenhagen was attaced and bombarded for three days by the British navy, 14000 rounds were fired, 1/3 of the buildings were destroyed and more than 2000 civilians and 5000 soldiers were killed.
Is it possible that Hans Casper Gierulfsen´s wife Inger Catrine Joensdatter was killed in the bombardment and that he married a 2. time as a "Enkemand" Widower in Randers July 10. 1814 to Wilhelmine Eriksdatter?
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Linda Raymond
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Posted - 04/08/2009 : 05:28:43
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This is great information about the British navy attack. It is a good possibility that Inger did die and Wilhelmine was his second wife. I have accumulated too many possibilities to research and I pushed them off to the side when I made the decision to diligently pursue this Hans Casper in Norway. This is one of the ones I was going to pursue once I finished cleaning up after myself.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 04/08/2009 : 09:18:37
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Hi Linda.
Hans Casper Gjerulfsen who married 1814 in Knebel/Rolsĝ sub parish in Mols parish Randers was from Arendal (Ĝyestad) in Norway.
Enter almost bottom page here
1814 fol 54 a line 6.
Hans Casper Gjerulfsen from Arendal in Norway served on Rolsĝgaard and Wilhelmine Erichsdatter from Knebel (engaged)
Folie 55a line 1.
Hans Casper Gjerulfsens daughter Marie Hansine 8 weeks
Folie 56 a line 8.
Hans Casper Gjerulfsen and Wilhelmine Erichsdatter (married)
Hans Casper Gjerulfsen was a very unusual name, he was liklely the only person in Norway with that name, because of that we can assume he could,´t have a Norwegian namesake in Denmark.
Good luck.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 05:34:53
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Hi
Have you checked to see if there are any Danish Naval records available? I really think that the true confirmation that you are looking for is in Danish records. Looking at what you think are his early records in Norway, is like looking for the chicken before the egg. You won't find early records saying that he became a Danish sailor later in life, which is what I believe Hopkins so cryptically said. :-) I actually had to read that post twice, before the light bulb went off above my head and I got it! I do think that the person that Kċre and Einar are referring to, is your person, but if you want "exact" confirmation, I think it's going to come from Danish records. I have had very frustrating times, searching for Danish records for family members, so I totally sympathize. If Danish records exist for that time period, finding someone that does "look-ups" in Danish records might be the avenue to search. Sorry if what I've suggested, has already been stated, but I know that Danish research is much more difficult.
Good luck!!! There are a lot of Norwegian and Danish Americans on this site! |
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Lislcat
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Linda Raymond
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 06:53:00
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I have not contacted the Danish state archives. I started looking for naval records last night and nothing so far, but the military rolls are available through FamilySearch so requesting that the microfilms be sent to our local LDS was going to be my next step. Would the state archives be a more logical next step?
I was looking for cooboration, not "exact". The unique name, a reference to Arendal in one of the Danish records, the timelines and the behavior pattern (3 engagements, a child conceived and/or born during each engagement...) seems like excellent cooboration to me. Most of this came from the other long string referenced by Hopkins.
I did already have some of the records and just didn't know their relevance yet, and I have more to go through, so I do want to make sure no one tracks down any more of the census, FamilySearch or parish register records for me.
Thank you for the suggestions.
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Gierulfsens in Oyestad
