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Neeser
Starting member
USA
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 Posted - 07/10/2009 : 02:37:59
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My grandmother had her first 2 babies out of wedlock in Norway in 1909 and 1911, with 2 different men; and I learned that she didn't raise them and her family didn't raise them, or the fathers. The children were being take care of by an entirely different family.
When she left Norway, she brought her first child with her, she came to America with the father of her first child as well.
Does anyone know why she wouldn't have raised them, or the fathers or her family? and would leave one child behind? I mean did they take babies away from girls who weren't married? Could she not take the other child out of the country without the fathers consent?
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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Lislcat
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USA
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Posted - 07/10/2009 : 17:47:52
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Hi Neeser,
Anything we come up with, would just be a guess, because there could be a variety of reasons as to why she wouldn't have raised those children. The first one that comes to mind, is that you said she came to America with the father of her first child. Maybe he didn't want to raise the children that weren't his? Sorry to not be of more help!
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Neeser
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2009 : 21:29:27
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| Thank you, for your reply. I couldn't understand why someone would leave one child. I was looking for thoughts. Thank you |
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hasto
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 00:31:59
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Illness, hopeless social conditions or poverty might be reasons. - Hope that the child might get a better future.
I don't think they took a child away from the mother because it was born out of wedlock. But if might happen if they considered she was not capable to take care of it.
I don't think a father to a child born out of wedlock had right to decide for the child's future. |
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Lislcat
Advanced member
USA
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 16:55:35
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Maybe there is something written in the baptismal record? Have you searched for that? You would need to know the parish/city where she was from, her name and a good idea of the years that the two children were born. That might give you more information.
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KnudsonFamily
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 18:51:13
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You pose an interesting question. As with many of the puzzles posted here, you might have more information than you think.
You stated that the first two children were being cared for by an entirely different family. WHO?
I'm a novice and I tend to put my current thinking in there heads. But I found with my line, the out of wedlock wasn't as uncommon as I thought nor treated as a scarlet letter.
With the family naming scheme, do you know that "the entirely different family" wasn't connected? Or maybe they could have children and it was to provide the children with a better life. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 20:42:10
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It´s interesting to watch this topic.
I doubt a baby born out of wedloc was taken from the mother, but nasty harassment from the major society against minorities, espesially gypeies/travelers, where children was taken from the parents happend unfortunately to often fare into the mid.1900.
Could be the soscial conditions was to bad or the mother was to sick to look after the children, they could have became fosterchildren for a period.
Your Grandmother emigrated with one of the children likley for a better future, what happend to the other child will only be speculations.
Did it grew up with his father or his family? Was it heir to his farm?
Not exactly similar but here is how my ggrandmother Anne born 1802 grew up.
Gggrandmother Aashild from Sauherad rised 4 children born out of wedlock between 1798-1804 to a widower and officer, Jacob.
He build a house for Aashild and the children on the farm, he died 1810, but the new ower owner of the farm had to keep up the maintenance for Aashild and the children, Aashild recieved "Fĝderaad" in Jacobs last will.
His 3 children from his marriage inherit his fortune.
It went well for all of Aashild´s children to my knowledge.
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Neeser
Starting member
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 01:32:56
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| Thank you!!! This is exactly the thoughts I was hoping for. The two Children were being raised by a family that was not related. The girl who came to the US told her siblings later on, that she was raised by her grandparents. My grandfather was married to his first wife and had 4 chlildren, when the girl was born, they didn't put his correct name on the birth record, they made one up, and wrote the father was in Amerika, he did leave and moved to Amerika, for 9 years,then he came back. He got back together with my grandmother and the took the daughter, leaving the 9 year old boy behind (and his 4 kids from his first marriage) and move here. I know the name of the family that raised the 2 children, I know the names of the girls grandparents, and they weren't her grandparents. Maybe my grandmother gave them up for adoption and kidnapped her daughter; no one in Norway ever heard from them again. |
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Sharon Kaser
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Posted - 29/10/2009 : 01:26:31
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| I have this situation in my family also. My grandmother and her older sister were considered "born out of wedlock" in the 1870s. The father's name was omitted from the birth record on both girls' records. I'm pretty sure the man who raised my grandmother was her biological father. Members of his family were listed on the baptism record as witnesses. Alma, her sister, however, only had her mother's family listed on her baptism record, so it's doubtful if she is the biological daughter of the man who raised the girls. She was 5 years older than my grandmother too. Which kinda of makes me think she and my grandmother may not have shared the same father. When the parents immigrated to America in 1884, they left Alma, 9 years old, in Sweden with an uncle and her maternal grandparents. I've always been curious as to why they did this. She eventually immigrated to America in 1992 as a young adult. She was included in the will when her "father" died in the USA. I read or heard somewhere that sometimes it was a custom to leave an older child with the grandparents to help them in their old age. Don't know if this is true. Alma went by her "father's" patronymic name. So no clue there about whether or not she was a biological daughter. So, I still don't know who her father was for sure. |
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