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John Lewer
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 Posted - 22/10/2009 : 11:18:48
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| Please,- advice to trace my Great Grandfather - Othar Hjalmar Bommen, born circa 1851 in Norway. My information shows he never appeared on the UK census until 1911, and then as a visitor to an address in Cardiff, as Norway Resident. He is described as Master Mariner. I have an alternative spelling for his second name - "Hgalman". His first appearance in UK records appears to be on the marriage certificate (1897) of his daughter Mabel Bommen to my grandfather Percival Lewer. This is also the first UK record of Mabel bommen. I am fairly new to researching family history and not yet overseas so ALL help will be appreciated. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/10/2009 : 11:41:44
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Hi John.
Othar Hjalmar Bommen was born in Kongsberg in Buskerud County.
He was born to merchant Christian Bommen and Barbra Severine Bommen and had 6 siblings in 1865.
Othar was born June 11. 1851, bap. in Kongsberg church April 18, see #28
The mother was born Barbara Severine Sunne.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 22/10/2009 13:49:44 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/10/2009 : 12:40:53
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The parents married "i kirken" in churc (Kongsberg church) Dec. 15. 1833, Christian was 23 and Barbara was 22, see right hand last couple #3
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 22/10/2009 : 13:28:31
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Christian Bommen was born Marc 1. as Christian Paulsen Bommen born to Paul Engebrektsen Bommen and Anne Kirstine Andreasdatter, bapt. in Hedenstad church in Sandsvĉr municipalty (todays Kongsberg), see right page 22. line from top here
"Ungkarl og Bergarbeider" Bachelor and Miner Paul Engebrektsen Bommen and Maid Anne Kristine Andreasdatter Biĝrnsen (born to Andreas, could be her father was Andreas Biĝrnsen) married in Kongsberg June 12. 1802, see 2. wedding top left page.
Paul Engebrektsen Bommen was a miner in Kongsberg Sĝlvverk
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Edited by - Kċarto on 22/10/2009 13:51:40 |
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John Lewer
Starting member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/10/2009 : 13:50:07
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| Oh Thankyou so much. This is terrific to have so much information so quickly. With 6 siblings I may have relatives alive in Norway. I am not sure how to use the references you have indicated -#28 and #3. I still am a real novice at this research. I still cant believe how quickly you so kindly responded. Again thankyou. John |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 22/10/2009 : 13:59:23
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Hi,
the # refers to a number in the left column in the church records to help you to find the exact record.
Since this is your first visit here I understand It can be difficult to read or understand the records, believe me its much easiser that expected.
There are still many Bommen living in Kongsberg, many from this family were merchants in Kongsberg.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/10/2009 : 14:13:33
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Paul Engebrektsen Bommen (his father was Engebrekt) was born about 1780, he died 1816 (probate register not online, will be in a few years) .
He was a renter on farm Hillestadhengslet in Sandsvĉr from 1811. Paul and Anne Kirstine Andreasdatter Bjĝrnsen got three sons, Andreas b a. 1804, Engebret b a 1808 and your Christian born 1811.
Source: Sandsvĉrs Historie volume VI page 597
Paul Engebrektsen, age 24, "Berganfarende" Mine worker lived as a renter of the retired widow Anne Olsdatter on 2. cross street on Egermoen in Konsberg, see here
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Edited by - Kċarto on 22/10/2009 14:27:52 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/10/2009 : 14:37:37
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Paul Engerktsen was born to Ingebrekt Larsen Bommen, bap. in Kongsberg Sept. 11. 1778, see right hand 7. line from top:
11 Sept. Ingebreth Larsen Bomens son Povel, here
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John Lewer
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/10/2009 : 14:55:23
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Hi Kare.
Again thankyou for your immense help. This information is coming in quicker than I can digest it ! Can you suggest sites I can visit to look for descendents and relatives of Othar. I, obviously am unable to read or understand Norwegian, but I may be able to use "Google Translator" to guide me.
Again thankyou and I am almost overwhelmed by what I have learned in such a short space of time.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 22/10/2009 : 15:45:57
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Hi John,
I understand, take all the time you need to to sort out the information.
I will look for what became of Othar´s siblings and new records.
Time for dinner.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 22/10/2009 : 17:39:45
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Hi,
Othar Hjalmar also had a brother Carl Ludvig born 1841, he moved from Kongsberg and lived as a merchant i Tĝnsberg town, Vestfold County in 1865.
A descendant after Carl Ludvig Bommen lives in western Norway, here is his family tree.
I guees he will be happy to get on contact with a relative from England.
Can be a challenge to Google Bommen in Norway, can be misunderstood with Toll road "Bom-Bommen" or Bommen (Boom) on a sailing ship .
More information will turn up later.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/10/2009 : 19:31:07
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Kongsberg has the probate registers online.
Here is from Feb. 23. 1796 for late Engelbrekt Larsen Bommen, "Oberstiger" Master foreman in the silver-mines, Recidence Nye-Moen (downtown east side of the river).
- Heir and wife Maren Eliesabeth Paulsdr.
Three sons, Mine workers, Lars, Paul and Ole.
- Two daughters Maren Catrine (married to Ole Hansen) and Maren Malene age 14, see here
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 22/10/2009 : 23:11:38
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Probate regiser March 13. 1773 for deceased Marthe Ingebrektsdatter, she died 2 months ago.
Recidece, paa Dyhre=Myr grund, on todays Dyrmyr ground not fare from this protected house, earlier farm Dyrmyr (today the building is a school)
- Heirs and husband to deceased Marthe Ingebrektsdater was Lars Hansen Bommen and son Ingebrikt (died 1796) age 23 working for assessor Heltzen and temporary in Copengagen, Denmark.
Kari Larsdr. was Ingebrikts sister married to Tollev Johansen Fjerdingstad. Another sister was Mallene Larsdr. married to Iver Jensen Green. Youngest of Ingebrikts siblings was Maria Larsdr. age 17.
Dyrmyr above was Heltzen´s recidence so we can assume Ingebrikt Larsen worked there.
That will be all for today, bring up more information and records tomorrow.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 22/10/2009 23:37:29 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 23/10/2009 : 08:54:02
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Hi John.
No wonder the comparison with the family name Bommen with a toll road. Lars Hansen Bommen was "Bom-Opseer" boom guard at the old approach road to Kongsberg where everyone who left the town was ransaked without regard to title and rank in order to prevent the theft of silver and powder.
Lars Hansen Bommen is mentioned as guardian in this probate register from 1747 for the two daughters, Kirsten age 4 and Anne Mallene age 1 to deceased Christopher Tiĝstelsen.
Christopher Tiĝstelsen seems to have been Lars Hansen Tiĝstelsens uncle, the brother to Lars father Hans Tiĝstelsen (Kĝstelsen), see the wedding record for Mai 12. 1744, left column 7. & 8.line from bottom, see here.
12 Mai Lars Hansen Kĝstelsen and Martha Ingebretsdatter.
The boom guard lived in "Bomstua" build about 1721 (the toll road was closed after a vedict in the Supreme Court 1841).
The profit was ment to maintain two bridges, "Gamlebrua" and "Nybrua" (the Old bridge and the New bridge).
Bomstua was inhabited until about 1970, the houses is restored and belong to the muesum and is the only "Bomstue" which is preserved in Norway.
The first public road in Norway from 1624 called "Sĝlvveien" the Silver Road, todays "Gamleveien" (Old road) passes here.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 23/10/2009 09:00:23 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 23/10/2009 : 09:35:26
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Your Ingebret Larsen Bommen, age 23 in the probate regiser from 1773 above was born 1751, bap. July 22. See 6. bap. (18. line) from top:
eod.d (same days as above, 22 July) Lars Hansen Bomens son Ingebret, see here
Engebret was named after his mother Martha´s father Ingebret. Martha Ingbretsdatter, Ingebrets daughter, according traditional Norwegian naming practise Ingebret had an older brother Hans named after his fathers father Hans Tiĝsolfsen.
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John Lewer
Starting member
United Kingdom
10 Posts |
Posted - 25/10/2009 : 10:48:03
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Hi Kare.
Thankyou again for all the information. Sorry if I appeared to have gone away for a few days, but we had shows on Friday and Saturday in places a long way away. I have driven nearly 600 Km in the last few days and got home this morning at 4.00am. So I will take a day or two to recover. The information is really helpful and I am collating it in the family tree. Again many thanks
John |
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