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SherryJohnson
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 Posted - 23/10/2009 : 23:42:49
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My g-grandfather emigrated to the United States from Eiken Norway with his two small children. His name was Tobias Staalesen Skydal. He changed his name to Thomas Dahl when he arrived here. His sister, Inge Marie (called Marie) immigrated before him and took the name Dahl as well. She married a Charles Gotfredson from Denmark. They all settled in Escanaba, Michigan.
My grandmother's name was Alma Dahl Gasman - she and her older brother were born in Eiken, Norway. Her older brother was Severin. Tobias, Alma and Severin emigrated in May of 1920 (my grandmother was 4 years old). My grandmother's mother died in 1919, during childbirth - the twin sons also died. Her name was Anna Hobbesland - also from Eiken, Norway. I am looking for relatives in Norway. I know my grandmother corresponded with some of them prior to her death, but can't find the letters. My grandmother visited Eiken in 1960 with 5 of her children and they met with her mother's relatives. There was also an uncle - a brother of her father named Andrew. If anybody has any information on either of these two familys in Norway and their descendents, I can share with you all of the relatives in the US from my grandmother (she had quite a large family). ThankYou. |
Kind Regards,
Sherry Johnson |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/10/2009 : 00:33:26
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Hi,
it was 185 people living on 35 Hobbelstad farms in Eiker, Buskerud County in 1900.
In Eiker and the surrounding municipalities it´s 38 Hobbelstad´s today according ABC phone book.
You see, it´s a challenge to look for living relatives, but Eiker parish has wedding records up to about WW2 Most record stops in Norway 1928 because of the protection of a persons privazy.
Could be if a family tree appeared.
The Gasman family, an unusual name; is often mentioned in Telemark County (south from Buskerud) from where some of them emigrated to USA.
Are you sure Skydal was from Eiker? Could be Hegebostad parish in Vest-Agder County where the Staalesen name appears and Aanen Tobias Staalesen Skydal b. 18881 lived with his parents and 2 siblings in 1900
It´s passed midnight in Norway, lets hope tomorrow will come up with some answers.
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 24/10/2009 10:29:27 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 24/10/2009 : 03:14:19
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Here is an immigration record that would appear to be your relative. It lists his last residence as Eiken and nearest relative as a brother named Aaren Ørevant (spelling is difficult to read) from Eiken. He is travelling with two children Severin and Alma.
Name: Tobias Staalesen Skydal
Arrival Date: 16 Jun 1921
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Christiania
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Scandinavian
Ship Name: Oscar II
Search Ship Database: View the Oscar II in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: Nrw
From Ancestry.com |
Edited by - AntonH on 24/10/2009 03:25:18 |
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AntonH
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 24/10/2009 : 08:00:01
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The baptismal record for your g-grandfather is #9 he was born June 15 and baptized Ånen Tobias July 3 1881. His parents were Ståle Ånensen (born 1853) and Anne Marie Ånensdatter (born 1844) who were living at Skydal.
His sister who emigrated before him was born in 1884, see 1900 census
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 24/10/2009 08:10:51 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/10/2009 : 08:54:15
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The burial of your g-grandmother Anna Andreasdatter (died in childbirth) was Dec 4 1918, she died Dec 1 1918, see record #14 She was 27 years when she died and the cause of death is here listed as Spanish influenza.
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Edited by - eibache on 24/10/2009 08:59:35 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/10/2009 : 09:08:49
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Your g-grandparents were married Sept 24 1913, see #4
Anna Andreasdatter was a servant on Hobbesland, she was born 1891 and her father was Andreas Knudsen.
Her parents and siblings in 1900
The baptismal record for Severin is #10 he was born Aug 13 and baptized Sept 13 1814.
The baptismal record for your grandmother is #14 she was born June 23 and baptized July 16 1916.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 24/10/2009 09:17:13 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/10/2009 : 10:27:38
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Hi,
as I wrote it became late yesterday.
I have deleted the Hobbelstad information from Eiker and Buskerud not to make any confusion for you.
Aanen Tobias Staalsen Skydal b 1881 was correct.
Your grandmother Alma married to a Dahl Gasman in USA?
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 24/10/2009 10:31:33 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 24/10/2009 : 11:48:19
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You are looking for relatives in Norway.
Could be the "Bygdbok" from Hægebostad from 1975, author Anun Lauen, could have som information (info. from a library).
Is this your family. Anne Skydal Eiken wife of Thomas, mother of Severin and Alma (not much information), see here
Arnfinn Hobbesland, Department Director in Hægebostad municipality, try to contact him here
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 24/10/2009 11:51:54 |
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hasto
Senior member
Norway
294 Posts |
Posted - 24/10/2009 : 17:30:51
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I grew up in Eiken, and have been several times on Hobbesland and Skytel (Skydal) farms. I will probably know some of your relatives - . I will find them, just wait a minute -
(Skydal is a misspelling of the farm name, typically as they did about 1900. The pronunsiation is Skytel, and so it is spelled on all maps of today.
I now have had a lookup in the book "Norges bebyggelse" Vest-Agder vestre del, page 150. It shows that the farm Hobbesland, brn 8 was in 1955 owned by Ånen Andreassen Hobbesland, born 1903. Church book birth nr 17 He was a brother of your g-grandmother Anna. I know his twin sons, born 1938. They both had a stay in US about 1960 (in Brooklyn, I would guess). They returned and built twin houses on the farm, and they still live there. One of them married to a girl from my neighborhood. I called his daughter and got her e-mail address. They were interested in contact!
I have sent you an e-mail with the information. |
Harald S Storaker
4586 Korshamn, Norge |
Edited by - hasto on 24/10/2009 19:42:23 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/10/2009 : 19:38:24
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You can use this mapping site to see the farm as it is today. Use the Foto button.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 24/10/2009 : 20:37:02
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Hi Harald, then you are wellknown in the area.
Intereseting development of the farm name Skytel also spelled Sjytel, Skilldal,Schylldal, Skytil in the 1600 and 1700.
The name was often written Skydal.
The name is related to the old Norse name Skuti, an overhanging cliff on the west side of lake Lygnevannet where the farm is located.
The name is pronounced with a T and not D as the dialect could have expected. The reason comes from the local grammar-pronunciation.
Source: Professor Ola Rygh.
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hasto
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Norway
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Posted - 24/10/2009 : 23:54:07
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The farms Skytel and Hobbesland will be covered in the bygdebok Eiken III, which hopefully will be issued Dec 2010. Skytel was uninhabitated before 1955, perhaps when Tobias left. There was no road to Skytel until about 1970.
To Kåre. I think Oluf Rygh is not accurate about Skytel. Skytel is situated 1 km west of the steep hills down to Lygne, so I doubt his explanation. And Eiken is north of the soft consonant area (Den bløde kyststribe), so no d-sound should be expected at all. I think Skydal is a spelling made by pastors making an interpretation of the farm name. |
Harald S Storaker
4586 Korshamn, Norge |
Edited by - hasto on 25/10/2009 08:27:29 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/10/2009 : 00:34:37
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Thank you for the explonation of Skytel Harald.
Genealogy is more than records.
It was interesting to test Rygh when the possibility existed. He was a great historian and archaeologist.
Most of his work seems well-considered and correct, exceptions exist as for Skytel and the accent on "Den bløde kyststribe".
Only 3 1/2 volume of Rygh´s work of total 18 were published when he died 1899 so he never recieved the opportunity to proofread his own marerial.
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hasto
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Norway
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Posted - 25/10/2009 : 08:57:27
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| A photo taken from a viewpoint near Vikenuten, the steepest hilltop on the western side of Lygne. The hilltop in the middle of the picture is Håberg. Skytel is 1 km to the west (left). Hobbesland is left of the tiny peninsula in the rear (left). |
Harald S Storaker
4586 Korshamn, Norge |
Edited by - hasto on 25/10/2009 09:18:12 |
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SherryJohnson
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 28/10/2009 : 16:19:32
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WOW! Thankyou all for this information. I can't wait to get started digging through it. I'm visiting my mother (daughter of Alma Dahl-Gasman) right now. Very exciting! I appreciate everyone's inputs here.
By the way. Gasman is my grandmother's married name. She married a Harvey Gasman in Michigan, USA. When she came to the U.S. at the age of 4, she was called Alma Dahl. Her brother Severin passed away from Black Diptheria in Michigan at the age of 11. My grandmother Alma had seven children. Nancy, William, John, Patricia, Janet, Barry and Susan. I'm the eldest daughter of Janet. |
Kind Regards,
Sherry Johnson |
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