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Lesley Turner
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 Posted - 02/11/2009 : 08:12:21
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seaching for PARENTS of my great-great grandparents BAKKEN / FELJSTUHL and information of family; immigration or life in Norway.
Harold Halversen Bakken
b. 7 FEB 1830- Norway
d. 2 MAY 1903- Iowa, USA
(first name may have been Haldor or Haldar)
married:
Torbjor (Tilda) Larsdatter Fjelstuhl
b. 19 NOV 1832- Norway
d. 9 OCT 1904- Iowa, USA
Children:
Ole Harold Bakken b. 14 AUG 1857
Anna Amelia Bakken b. 1859
--family notes say Anna was born on ship while parents immegrated through (Quebec possibly) to USA. The captain of the ship baptized her "Amelia" after the name of the ship.--
Gunlik Bakken b. 19 APR 1861- IA-USA
Ragnilde Bakken b. 5 JUN 184-IA-USA
Halvor Haraldsen Bakken b. 26 SEP 1867-IA-USA
Bergit Bakken b. 14 APR 1868-IA-USA
Halvor Bakken b. b. 27 SEP 1871-IA-USA
Matilda Louise Bakken b. 1874-IA-USA
John H. Bakken b. 30 MAR 1876-IA-USA
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 13:00:24
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Was there any record in Iowa of WHERE in Norway they were from? Church records? obituaries? published histories of Winneshiek Co, local town and/or church? Did any of their children list a location in Norway for their parents birth on the 1925 Iowa State census?
Actually, I believe they came from Hjartdal, Telemark, Norway. They left before the 1865 Norwegian census so I cannot give you fast and easy proof of my statement.
Harald Halvorsen of Aslaugberg Hytta farm married Torbjørg Larsdatter of Karls-Oppsal farm and Hjartdal records indicate that they left for America approximately 1859. They possibly had some residence on one of the small farm places locally known as Fjeldstul about the time of their son Ole's birth.
That son's birth/baptismal record in the Hjartdal parish records -
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7955&idx_id=7955&uid=ny&idx_side=-11
Torbjørg Larsdatter's birth/baptismal record in the Hjartdal parish records -
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7959&idx_id=7959&uid=ny&idx_side=-56
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 13:22:57
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Harald Halvorsen 'Bakken' and his little family are recorded as leaving Hjartdal about 12 April 1859 in the Hjartdal church books. The family listed immediately below them are the parents/family of Torbjørg Larsdatter. All listed with intended destination of "Amerika".
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7799&idx_id=7799&uid=ny&idx_side=-296
The young boy Halvor, born 2 Feb 1857, who is listed with Torbjørg's family is the 'out of wedlock' born son of her sister Helge.
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eibache
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 13:36:58
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The marriage record for Harald Halvorsen, Aslaugberg and Torbjør Larsdatter Carlsopsal is #6 the marriage date is June 29 1857.
Harald Halvorsen baptismal record is #20 he was born Oct 17 1830 and baptized Nov 14 1830, his parents were Halvor Olsen Aslougberg and Anne Haraldsdatter.
Ragnil Gunlichsdatter was a child born out of wedlock, see top record on left page she was born March 3 and baptized March 10 1805. Her mother was Anne Michelsdatter and the father Gunlek Sigursen.
Anne Michelsdatter was born 1777 and baptized Dec 14 1777, see 3rd record from bottom of right page her parents were Michel Johnsen and Margitte Johnsdatter Øjen.
Gunlich Sigursen was born 1779 and baptized Jan 1 1780, see 3rd record from bottom of left page his parents were Sigurd Reijersen and Inger Kitilsdatter Hochstul.
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Edited by - eibache on 02/11/2009 15:16:10 |
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eibache
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 14:38:12
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Lars Hansen (26 years old), Carls Opsal and Ragnild Gunliksdatter (22 years old) were married Nov 14 1822, see #7.
Lars Hansen was born Aug 8 and baptized Aug 25 1795, see last record on right page his father was Hans Olsen Midtbø and the mother Torbiør Olsdatter.
Lars Hansen, his parents and siblings in
1801
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Edited by - eibache on 02/11/2009 14:50:45 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 14:59:14
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The four volumes of the "Hjartdalsoga" should be consulted. Those books do contain some errors but they can help quickly build a family tree (then that can be checked against primary records such as the church records of Hjartdal). The books also contain pictures and stories of life in the Hjartdal area.
The church records for Hjartdal are available for years as far back as 1685. |
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Lesley Turner
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 16:54:26
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quote:
Originally posted by eibache
The marriage record for Harald Halvorsen, Aslaugberg and Torbjør Larsdatter Carlsopsal is #6 the marriage date is June 29 1857.
Harald Halvorsen baptismal record is #20 he was born Oct 17 1830 and baptized Nov 14 1830, his parents were Halvor Olsen Aslougberg and Anne Haraldsdatter.
Ragnil Gunlichsdatter was a child born out of wedlock, see top record on left page she was born March 3 and baptized March 10 1805. Her mother was Anne Michelsdatter and the father Gunlek Sigursen.
Anne Michelsdatter was born 1777 and baptized Dec 14 1777, see 3rd record from bottom of right page her parents were Michel Johnsen and Margitte Johnsdatter Øjen.
Gunlich Sigursen was born 1779 and baptized Jan 1 1780, see 3rd record from bottom of left page his parents were Sigurd Reijersen and Inger Kitilsdatter Hochstul.
Clarification needed..
the relation of Ragnil Gunlichsdatter to Halvor Olsen Aslougberg and Anne Haraldsdatter is not clear to me. Anne's daughter perhaps? |
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Lesley Turner
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 18:11:33
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my family did come from Hjartdal, Telemark, Norway 
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 18:37:56
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One branch of my family came from Hjartdal too, but mine didn't emigrate until 1872.
Keep your notes carefully. Ragnild Gunliksdtr would be the daughter of a man named Gunlik/Gunlek (or similar spelling), see above. If you read through the messages above you'll notice that she was the mother of Torbjørg Larsdatter, Ragnild was married to Lars Hansen, therefore all their children were called Larsen or Larsdatter. The only relationship obvious from the information above is that she had a child who married a descendant of Halvor Olsen and Anne Haraldsdatter.
Perhaps you aren't yet familiar with Norwegian naming patterns and practices. Online study material to learn about Norwegian naming practices and patterns.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/farms.htm
Do you need more recommendations for good "how-to" for Norwegian genealogy research?
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Lesley Turner
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 21:12:09
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Hopkins,
Thank you for the websites they have been great help. Yes, just learning the naming patterns. Very interesting and now understand why for years we couldn't find more "Bakkens".
To my understanding my great-great grandfather's name
Harold Halversen Bakken
breaks down like this:
Harold the son of Halver
from the farm of Bakken
would this farm be where Harold grew up? |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 21:44:17
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To be blunt, I really don't see why Harald called himself Bakken later. He must have had some relationship with a farm or sub-farm that was called that - but in a quick review of the information found thus far I don't see it. That's not a big problem for you though -- that will sort itself out when you've researched him thoroughly I have little doubt.
But you've listed out the naming pattern for Harald just perfectly. We just don't know quite which "Bakken" he is referring to. My own great-grandmother came from Telemark and was often listed as a "Bakken". It took me some time to work out that she had come from a small sub-farm that was locally called Sud-Bakken but it was usually just listed under the name of the larger, older, farm that the land actually belonged with. An older, larger farm was often divided up into portions that were given their own local names/addresses.
Was his birth/baptismal record in the URLs offered above? Yes, Einar provided a link and that shows that his parents were living on the Aslaugberg farm at that date. At that point you could rightfully call him Harald Halvorsen Aslaugberg -- just so we don't mix him up with any other Harald Halvorsens also in the area. I don't know the history of the Aslaugberg farm so cannot speak to whether or not any user part of that particular farm had other local names.
Start some additional study -- it will help you enormously. Especially pay attention to the article about Norwegian bygdeboker because I want to tell you about the series of books that has been published for Hjartdal.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/articles.html
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eibache
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 21:54:46
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Harold Halversen Bakken (Harald Halvorsen) was born in 1830 when his parents were at the Aslougberg farm, this is most likely where he grew up.
The name of this farm today is Aslaugberg.
Bakken may have been the farm Harald left from when he emigrated. There are 3 Bakken farms in Hjardal today.
Fjeldstul, today written Fjellstul, is a mountain pasture.
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Edited by - eibache on 02/11/2009 22:26:04 |
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eibache
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 22:14:14
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Clarification needed..
the relation of Ragnil Gunlichsdatter to Halvor Olsen Aslougberg and Anne Haraldsdatter is not clear to me. Anne's daughter perhaps?
Harald Halvorsen, who was married to Torbiør Larsdatter, was Halvor Olsens son. Ragnild Gunlichsdatter was Torbiør Larsdatters mother, so she was Harald Halvorsens mother-in-law. (What she was to Harald Halvorsens parents I don't know what it may be called.)
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The only relationship obvious from the information above is that she had a child who married a descendant of Halvor Olsen and Anne Haraldsdatter.
- yes "the child" was Torbiør and the "descendant of Halvor Olsen and Anne Haraldsdatter" was Harald! |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/11/2009 : 10:23:31
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Information from Zona Mathison tells they settled down in Winneshiek County, Lincoln Twp.,Iowa near Ridgeway, see here.
Also Torbjørgs parents Lars Hansen Fjelstul and Ragnild Gunleksdatter Bergsland and her five siblings emigrated same year.
The fields in Hjartdal was rocky and slopy so it was hard work farming there.
Hjartdal is central in Telemark County and more than 50% of the populatuion from there emigrated.
I think your family came from Nordbygda, a small countryside in a valley north from Hjartdal church marked +.
The emigrants from Hjartdal traveled via Sauland down to Heddal municipality and lake Heddalavannet where they rented row boats that took them down to the larger lake Norsjø and Porsgrunn town where Bark Ameliea left Norway April 23, arr. Quebec Mai 27.
The passenger lists for Amelia is unfortunately incomplete
The food they brought with them on the long journey was mostly dried, salted and smoked meat and fish and Flatbrød
Eywitnesses tells that in the emigration time in spring the entire lake Norsjø was covered with small boats coming from different districts of Telemark.
If the wind was favourable young birch trees were used as sail.
This journey took about three days, last night was often spend on some islands in the southern part of lake Norsjø
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Edited by - Kåarto on 03/11/2009 11:13:01 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/11/2009 : 11:47:09
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Fjeldstul was a mountain farm.
The first image shows a part of Hjartdal with lake Hjartsjø in the back ground, see here.
Travel to Heddal they had to pass the lake and turn to the right of the mountain.
The 2. image shows Nordbygda.
Fjeldstul was high up in the hillside.
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Lesley Turner
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Posted - 04/11/2009 : 05:44:21
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quote:
Originally posted by eibache
Lars Hansen (26 years old), Carls Opsal and Ragnild Gunliksdatter (22 years old) were married Nov 14 1822, see #7.
Lars Hansen was born Aug 8 and baptized Aug 25 1795, see last record on right page his father was Hans Olsen Midtbø and the mother Torbiør Olsdatter.
Lars Hansen, his parents and siblings in
1801
great find!
Harald Larssen listed as "Ungkalr" means?
Ole Larssen 16; Hans Larssen 12; are listed as Han's brother.. brother to Hans Olsen??
Wondering if I'm crossing into another family here? Noticed the difference in father's of Hans Olssen and Ole Larssen |
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