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oddrunbaarstad
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 Posted - 02/11/2009 : 21:09:43
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My greatgrandfather had two sisters who left for America, but we do not know where or when. Their names were Anne Olsdatter, born 1862 in Heidal, Vågå, and Marit Olsdatter, born 1868, same place.
My greatgrandfather (born 1865/66) also left for America, in 1892, but he came back to Norway in 1899. He did not speak much about his time in America. We think he was at the same place in USA as his sisters, one of the women died before he came, the other one took over his farm when he left for Norway. But this is something my father THINKS he has heard when he was young, can not say if it is correct or not.
All the three names are very common, this is a problem when looking for them... They might have used Sagstuen as lastname, since the farm in Norway had that name.
Can anyone help? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2009 : 04:42:00
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| Could you provide the name of your greatgrandfather. He might be the easiest to find. |
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oddrunbaarstad
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Norway
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 09:03:01
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| His name was Ole Olsen... He was born 22th December 1864, but the censuses says 1865 or 1866. He might also have used Sagstuen as a lastname, and we know that he left in 1892. |
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peder
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USA
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Lislcat
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USA
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 02:58:05
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| Finding women that may have married and changed their name is always hard. Do you have any idea where they may have settled, such as the state? Also, did Ole, Anne and Marit immigrate to Amerika together? |
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oddrunbaarstad
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Norway
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Posted - 09/11/2009 : 08:31:29
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Peder: The census is correct.
Lislcat: We have no idea where they settled... My father heard that the two sisters immigrated to America before their brother did, so that when he came to America he stayed with one of them (since the other one was dead).
This is not easy, we don't know enough to find them, do we? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 09/11/2009 : 18:54:59
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Hi,
It looks like what's missing of the three (name, date, place) is place. Googling Sagstuen brought to attention this article about a possibly neighboring farm Kaldor:
Northern Kaldor was bought by Ole Olsen, from Sagstuen (owned by the Hunder farm), approximately 2 kilometers south of Kaldor, in 1841. He and his wife Anne Stenersdatter from Svegarden became the parents of 8 sons, 5 of who grew into adulthood. 3 of these (Christian, Simen and Mathias) emigrated to the US in the 1860es, eventually settling in Goose River County, North Dakota. Another son, Anders, took over the farm in 1866, but sold it to Ole Thorgersen (Kaldor) in 1873. The proceeds from the sale were used to take him and his family to the US to join his brothers. The oldest brother, Ole, followed in 1879. Most Kaldors living in the US today are the descendants of these brothers. The great-grandson of Christian Kaldor, Lee Kaldor, was the Democratic Party candidate for Governor of North Dakota in the 1996 elections.
It might be a long shot, particularly if I've misidentified the location but hope it helps.
Otherwise other records in Norway which might help would be the migration records of the sisters--when did they leave the parish and if the parents died with some sort of estate its possible that the sisters's locations might have been mentioned in it and likewise if an obituary was published for Ole Olson or his parents the location of the sisters might have been included.
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 10/11/2009 : 05:32:27
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Jackie,
That's a good idea. What other family members may have immigrated to Amerika? More than likely they settled in the same area.
They can be found, but it may take some time to find them. Do you know if the sister that lived was married? If she took over Ole's farm, it would seem that there would of been a good chance that she and her husband took over the farm.
I looked through the parish records, but didn't see the sisters listed in the emigration records. They could have been there, but I didn't see them.
Maybe we should start with more records from Norway and work our way forward?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2009 : 20:48:33
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Hi,
I didn't see the sisters in the udflytteds from Vaage or Sel, either. There is a Marit Olsd, female, unmarried, aged 20, working girl (P), whose residence is Vang, Valdres, leaving from Oslo on 21 June 1888 whose destination is Carpenter, Iowa in the Oslo emigrant registers at the digitalarkiverket.
In the listing of members who list their parish of origin as Vaage of the Gudbrandsdalaget (heritage group in U.S.) from 1923-24 there are only a few possibilities which can't be immediately eliminated based on facts contained in the listing. There are none of Sagstuen name, nor is Sagstuen in any of the additional notes in the text for any person. There are only two Ann, Anna, Annie listed see Anne below and the Annie Olson at Appleton, Minn. was marked as born here. There is only one Marit, Mrs. Marit Svenstad of Comfrey, Minn and she is marked as born here.
Mrs. J.A. Johnson of Victor, South Dakota (Anne Vidstidlokken)
Mrs. John Pederson of Cornell, Wisconsin (Olson) came US 1890
Mrs. John Iverson of Englevale, N.D. came to US 1887 [apparently her husband is John Iverson (Bakken) of Englevale, N.D. who also came in 1887]
Mrs. J.E. Steen (Brun) Brookings, S.D. came to US 1888
Mrs. Knud Anderson 2221 28th Ave N, Minneapolis, Minn. (no date of migration)
Mrs. Ole Halvorson of Summit S.D.
Mrs. F (probably Fred) Lindbom 676 Forest St. St Paul, Minn
Mrs. Jacob T. Myrum (Bakken) Strum, Wisc. came to US 1879
(apparent husband Jacob Myrum came US in 1880)
[b]Mrs. A.A. Stakestad of Milnor, N.D. eliminated as her first name was Ragnhild not Anne nor Marit
Mrs. S.A. Sneen 3315 N. Fort St, Minneapolis, Minn came to US in 1885
Mrs. Amund Syverson [/b]of Odin, Minn came to US 1879
Since land figures in the tale a check of the land patents might be useful, but I haven't been able to get into the land patent search site since the question came in.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 14/11/2009 05:55:22 |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 13/11/2009 : 18:12:12
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Good work, Jackie! It's going to be tough to find them, if they married. Possibility of finding a family tree online, I guess? Sorry, I haven't been more help, but I've been having computer issues. :-(
Marit, may be listed as Mary or Marie. My great great Aunt Marit, became Mary in the states. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/11/2009 : 03:15:59
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Hi,
Canoodling tonight in the South Dakota Dept of Health online birth index found a few interesting folks:
child Oscar Risberg b. 14 Mar 1893 in Yankton co to parents Martin Risberg and Marit Oldsdatter
child Gertrude Simonson b. 7 July 1896 Yankton co to parents
Halvor Simonson and Anne Olson
This database has 180,000 records, but none pointed to the names in the previous post of women from Vaage who were members of the Lag.
All extremely long shots. Sagstuen turns up in a number of family tree databases but most are of other first names than Anne, Marit or Ole.
By the by, re your tip on Marie for Marit, the non subscribers search at ancestry.com found a Marie Sagstuen b. abt 1868 m. to John J. Sagstuen living 1910 in Dunn Co, Wisconsin.
Anne and Marit's mother's patronymic name was Haldogsdatter. That seems like an uncommon name and so I checked in the 1865 Norwegian census online and there are 54 entries whose last names begin Haldogs. Interestingly there are 4 in Vaage:
Paul Haldogsen age 37 married living with wife and four boys and his mother Ronnaug Paulsdtr on Odegaarden
Anne Haldogsdtr age 42 married and several children including one named Rondaug age 5
Marit Haldogsdtr age 37 single worker with 14 year old daughter named Rondaug
and Kari Haldogsdtr, the link to her census listing is given in a previous post.
Here is Kari Haldogsdtr and Ole Olsen's marriage. They are #14 #44:
Source information: Oppland county, Vågå in Vågå, Parish register (official) nr. 6 /1 (1856-1872), Marriage records 1861, page 270.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8918&idx_id=8918&uid=ny&idx_side=-184
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070130640662.jpg
I wonder if the querist might know of any other cousins from the next generation back who might have come to America.
Hilsen,
Jackie M.
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oddrunbaarstad
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Norway
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Posted - 16/11/2009 : 20:01:00
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Thank you for your help!
I'm sorry, but I don't know if anyone of the next generation back went to America.
My uncle told me today that his grandfather talked about Winnipeg. That's Canada, right?
The problem is that we can't find the two girls in the records that say that they moved from Heidal. We don't know if they got married. Really, we don't know anything... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/11/2009 : 22:37:05
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Hi Oddrun,
Yes, Winnepeg is in Manitoba province in Canada. There are a few places online to look into Canadian records. Archivianet.net has homestead records in a database there for some of the western provinces covering 1870-1930 so there may be useful records there, canadian census records and passenger lists available at ancestry.
Did any of the folks left in Norway have an estate that needed to be distributed (as in the case of the parents or unmarried brothers & sisters) ? And although the Norwegian custom on obituaries is different from the US practice were there any published on the parents or the siblings which might mention mention the location of survivors.
Also although Winnepeg probably means the place in Canada, there is a Winnepeg junction in Clay County, Minnesota which people have referred to and possibly other situations like that.
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 16/11/2009 22:41:54 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2009 : 23:03:38
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Hi,
Finally got the land patents US page and here are all the Olsdatters listed:
View
Image Patentee Name State County Issue
Date Land Office Doc.
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Serial Nr.
OLSDATTER, ANNE WI Vernon 4/15/1856 La Crosse 4101 WI0690__.297
OLSDATTER, JANE ND Ward 2/14/1900 Montana State Office 184 NDMTAA 051155
OLSDATTER, KAREN WI Trempealeau 9/10/1875 La Crosse 2792 WI1060__.379
OLSDATTER, MARIA ND Ward 8/22/1907 Montana State Office 3507 NDMTAA 057799
OLSDATTER, MARIA ND Ward 8/22/1907 Minot 3507 MV-0637-278
OLSDATTER, MARIT ND Towner 5/1/1902 Montana State Office 4682 NDMTAA 002828
OLSDATTER, MARITT MN Chippewa 5/10/1882 Benson 3429 MN0190__.336
OLSDATTER, MATTE ND Traill 12/20/1887 Montana State Office 2738 NDMTAA 095587
OLSDATTER, TONE ND Ward 2/14/1900 Montana State Office 184 NDMTAA 050796
Some are obviously not the right people but just keep in mind.
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
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