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MAJA520S
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 Posted - 06/08/2010 : 04:39:23
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Thank-you Kåre,
I thought I had it right but wasn’t sure. Yes that confirmed what I had.
OK I understand that Ingrid Torkildsdotter Haave’s husband (Halvor Andersen Hafsten/ Kaali) parents Anders Thorstensen Kaali and Tore Gregarsdatter Ryen/Rygi had 8 children as you had listed below.
But tell me where Halvor, married Aslaug Gunleksdatter fits in this. Did they have 2 sons names Halvor? One married Ingrid and one married Aslaug?
This is the point I got lost.
Posted above is, These are their 8 children right?
Anders and Thore (Thora) got 8 children;
- Halvor, married Aslaug Gunleksdatter, 4 sons, Ole, Torsten, Helge and Andres and a daughter Aaaste who married Gullik Olsen Teigen.
- Thorsten d. 1693, left a daughter Torgunn
- Gregar, married 1701 Aslaug Kittelsdatter Bøen, 4 sons Andres, Kittel, Ole and Thorsten, 4 daughters, Thone, Gunne, Aslaug and Thone
- Ole
- Kittel
- Aase, married Thorsten Svalsestuen
- Aagot d. before 1694, married to Ole, left two sons, Hans and Gregar Olsen
- Thone.
Thanks, Jodie
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/08/2010 : 15:15:38
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You have a sharp eye.
I cannot confirm this, all I have is the information from two books and LDS records.
Could be both are correct, perhaps Halvor Andersen Kaali 1656-1745 married 2, times and got
5 children with Aslaug Gunleksdatter and 3 children with Ingrid Torkildsdatter 1658-1699, Halvor married Ingrid Torkelsdatter 1692.
If this is correct Aslaug Gunleksdatter was his first wife, his three children with Ingrid Torkildsdatter were born 1694 (Gregar) 1696 (Anders) and 1699 (Aagot).
Both books has Thore Gregarsdatter Ryen and Anders Torstensen Kaali as ancestors.
Kåre
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 06/08/2010 : 16:19:55
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Kåre, I feel better now! I thought I was missing something!
Well, for now.. he has 2 wives with a note.
OK, now I am ready for The Ryen family is described in Hitterdalsboken Page 148-154, a very exiting family
Thanks, Jodie
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Kåarto
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 11:29:56
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A summary of the information I have about Ryen/Rygi Jodie.
Gregar Halvorsen Ryen´s father was Halvor Ryen d. about 1660, mentioned on Ryen 1645 and 1650. Gregars mother is not mentioned by name.
Heddal 1590.
A case between the priest Jens Jacobsen and the three owners of Ryen, Gunleik Ryen, Tormod Ryen and Saamund Mæland, witness was Knud Leikvam from Nes parish in Sauherad.
The case was about that the men (owners) of Ryen should have given away as a gift all the land cultivated by Heddal vicarge.
Hr (Mr) Jens Jacobsen said; "If the land was given from his people, their people and parents, he (Knud Leikvam) was in position to point out the borders"
The expression "Hans folk, deres folk og foreldre" His people, their people and parents refers to Knud Laikvam and the three owners of Ryen.
In 1602 the owners of Ryen were Saamund Mæland, Knud Leikvam, Gunleik and Anulf Ryen (Anulf settled down in Bø parish).
The author O.H.Holta (1851-1928) tells they were all members of the old Ryen family and therefore probably descendants after Raud Rygi, one of the five farmers who build Heddal stave church stave church, former Ryginar church, about 1230-1240 and that Saamund Mæland was Halvor Ryen´s ancestor.
The ledgend tells the church was build by Raud Rygi, Stebbe Strand, Kjeik Sem, Grut Grene and Vrang Stivi.
An old log cabin (60 sq. yds) named Drømsi on Ryen is dated to 1200.
Ambros Gregarsen Ryen b. 1856, owner of Ryen until 1925, tells in an interview with O.H.Holta ab.1920 that he found a Bronze pot with Runic incriptions when he was ploughing the land.
He understood that the pot was very old brought it to Oslo to have it examinated by experts.
Professor Gustavson ment it was 800-900 years old.
Ambos Ryen thought it was a pot used in Drømsi.
Sem and Ryen had jurisdiction exempt from tax in the 1500-1600 because the cort cases in Hedal was held on those farms.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 07/08/2010 12:32:52 |
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MAJA520S
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 17:38:29
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That is interesting! I wonder what happened to the Pot?
So the church wanted the Farm Ryen? What was the outcome?
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Kåarto
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Posted - 08/08/2010 : 10:47:57
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Trial was perhaps an incorrect word about the 1590 case because no local judges are mentioned, it was more of a settlement.
It must have been a disagreement/uncertainty about where the border between Ryen and the rectory was.
Knud Leikvam must have be a trusted person since he was the only witness, probably remained the borders where he put them.
There is no evidence that the church recieved more land from Ryen than they already had.
I don´t know where the pot is.
Its most likely kept in Oslo, maybe stored in a museum and forgotten.
All buildings and objects from before 1537 is automatically protected by the law in Norway.
Drømsi is the oldest house in Heddal.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/08/2010 : 17:00:29
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Aagot Halvorsdatter Hafsten´s , see here, grandfather was Torkild Halvorsen Haave here
Torkild Halvorsen married Anne Gjermunsdatter from Skoje (Skoge-Skogen) in Hjartdal.
Annes Gjermunsdatter´s parents: Sheriff Gjermund Skoje born ab. 1600 and Ingrid Tomesdatter born abv. 1600.
Gjermund owned Skoje about 1640-68, origin unknown.
Annes brother Jon Gjermundsen Skoje 1635-1714 was aslo Sheriff Hjartdal, his daughter Helge Jonsdatter 1669-1714 is one of my ancestors, she married Ambrosius Jonsen Sauer (his 2. marriage) from Sauer in Heddal, they married in Hjartdal 1695.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 12/08/2010 17:04:33 |
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Kittl Olson Bakka born 1819
