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AntonH
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Posted - 27/06/2010 :  17:01:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the 1895 Minnesota Territorial and State Census he has Gro, Jorgen and Gunhild (born in Dak.) living with him in Polk County.

Name: Halvor Sannes
Census Date: 1895
County: Polk
Locality: Lessor
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Race: White
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/06/2010 :  17:06:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sid, you may already be aware of this but a Tishie59 has a private Family Tree on Ancestry.com containing Halvor Sannes born 1835 Norway with wife Goro. Since it is a Private Family Tree I am not able to access the information in the tree.
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Hopkins
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Posted - 27/06/2010 :  17:50:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Don't confuse the two different Halvor Sannes families. One was Halvor Sigurdsen from Sannes farm(s) in Valle, Aust-Agder; the other was Halvor Jørgensen from Sannes farm(s) in Valle, Aust-Agder. Their wives had almost identical given names and the family emigrated about 8 years apart.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 27/06/2010 :  18:06:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jackie,
The family you were following in ND, seems to be a different family, but Sid may still want that info, because there is probably a good chance that he is related to them, since they both came from the Sannes farm in Valle, Aust-Agder. Maybe you want to edit your replies, so that he doesn't get it confused with the family that arrived in 1882? Just an idea, but I'd hate for him to get his family history wrong. :-)
Lislcat
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/06/2010 :  18:38:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Sorry that you were confused.

I wasn't confused but was merely following the Grand Forks clue from the destination given in one of the earlier posts and to get to the sources for travel story. I've bolded and underlined the caveats in my earlier posts.

Hilsen,
Jackie M.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/06/2010 :  19:05:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Halvor J filed his first papers to become a citizen in Grand Forks county. This is copied from the Institute for Regional Studies website naturalization database:

Sannes Halvor J Norway 1st June 2, 1883 Grand Forks D-6 023

Sometimes there is travel information in the naturalization files at dates later than 1883.

Hilsen,
Jackie M.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 28/06/2010 :  00:10:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Jackie, I wasn't confused. I could tell that it was two families, from looking at the different censuses and seeing both families in the same years. I think it might be confusing for Sid, if he's given all the info at once and then needs to figure out, which Guro goes with which Halvor, an so on. It's amazing how their children have such similar names, which is why I was thinking that they may be related.

I'm sure you made it clear for him now. :-)
Lislcat
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peder
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Posted - 28/06/2010 :  00:23:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I left a message to Tishie59 on ancestry since I have membership. will let you know if she replies.
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Flapjaxsid
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Posted - 28/06/2010 :  02:41:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Peder, thanks for contacting Tishie. Maybe there is some family connection and we can compare notes. Thanks to everyone else for all of the information.

Sid
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LisaN
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Posted - 13/12/2011 :  02:17:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I hope I am posting in the proper location. I am researching the Halvor Sannes born 1842 Valle, married to Gyro/Guro/Guru born 1852 Valle, who immigrated in 1874. I see poster Hopkins determined his name was Halvor Sigurdsen Sannes and the was an extremely helpful clue. I am new to Norwegian genealogy and researching this family for a neighbor and wonder, how do you prove or substantiate to family their ancestor they've always known as a Sannes is really a Sigurdsen? All the dates line up properly with the 1865 census, farm name, marriage data (as Sigurdsen), but is there any other document proving the name switching? At this point, the likelihood I've got the right family is excellent, I just have a nagging doubt. Thank you.

By the way, the marriage I located for this couple is the last entry at http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070628660631.jpg ; her name was Gyro Salvesdatter. I can't read the date but looking at other columns and line numbers it appears to be in 1874. Thank you for any help with this.
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eibache
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Posted - 13/12/2011 :  06:42:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The date of the marriage can easier be seen from the permanent page link http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9873&idx_id=9873&uid=ny&idx_side=-78 - it was April 10 1872.
Halvor was 30 years old - born approx 1842, and Gyro was 22 years old - born approx 1850.
Einar
Edited by - eibache on 13/12/2011 07:17:42
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eibache
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Posted - 13/12/2011 :  07:02:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your Halvor Sigurdsen, Sannæs was born Oct 16 1842, see W74 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=835&idx_id=835&uid=ny&idx_side=-74 - his parents Sigurd Knudsen, Sannæs and Johanne Halvorsdatter.
The parents were married May 28 1828, see No 9 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9876&idx_id=9876&uid=ny&idx_side=-56.
Einar
Edited by - eibache on 13/12/2011 07:04:40
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eibache
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Posted - 13/12/2011 :  07:16:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If your Gyro Salvesdatter was born 1852, she was born May 25, see V30 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=835&idx_id=835&uid=ny&idx_side=-117 - her parents being Salve Aslaksen, Viger and Bergith Osmundsdatter.
Einar
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eibache
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Posted - 13/12/2011 :  08:18:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Info on naming practice found here http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
It was not uncommon that the farm name was used as family name for persons emigrating to US.
Einar
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/12/2011 :  09:09:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Here is the couple's record of leaving from Valle in 1874. They are #1 in the Udflyttedes column under 1874. This might be a useful reference since the full Norwegian style name is given (Halvor Sigurdsen Sannas):

Source information: Aust-Agder county, Valle, Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1868-1882), Migration records 1868-1871, page 262.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6176&idx_id=6176&uid=ny&idx_side=-210

In addition in the 1865 census transcription the farm name Sannes is in the heading above the list of names:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60940&gardpostnr=99&merk=99#ovre

FYI In case you aren't aware of it, www.genealogybank.com historical newspaper section has the Grand Forks Herald from 1879-1922 online and searchable. For curiosity I put in Sannes and there were over 1,000 mentions, including the filing of a deed to a farm 30 years after the date transfering it from Osmund Sannes to Halvor S. Sannes...

Jackie M.
Edited by - jkmarler on 13/12/2011 09:47:01
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