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jwknudsen
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 Posted - 25/09/2010 : 04:17:20
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I'm searching for information about Arentz Severin Knudsen and his last ship. The final entry in the Arendal hovedrulle shows him signed onto Tordenskjold August 14, 1886.
http://www.norwayheritage.com/gallery/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=&text=&imageid=2009&box=&shownew=on
I've had many hits for the name Tordenskjold, but this entry falls in the same time period and port:
http://www.norsk-sjofartsmuseum.no/mh/index.php?subkat=register1®ister=1&skipsnavn=Tordenskjold&skipsforere=&byggested=Arendal&sok=S%F8k
Unfortunately, I've been unable to learn more about this particular ship, or its 1892 sinking referenced in the link. I'm seeking any information, either confirming that this is in fact Arentz Severin's ship, or pointing me toward the correct one.
The 1886 Arendal hovedrulle entry and a New York church register entry from 1892 are the latest documentary evidence I've found. Arentz did not appear in the 1900 Hisøy census, and Mathelde, his wife, was not noted as a widow. Relatives in Hisøy have found no references to his death in their church books, nor have I found any entries in New York City registers.
I would be very grateful for any further information about Arentz Severin Knudsen.
Thanks for your assistance.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 25/09/2010 : 16:30:15
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Arent S Knudsen (41), residence Arendal, emigrating to America in 1890.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 25/09/2010 : 17:10:13
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Have you checked the notes under the 1900-census? link
ved verft E: Tilført med blyant
at yard E: Added with pencil.
Hard to understand the meaning, but "E" could be short for enke, e.g. widow.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 25/09/2010 : 17:51:17
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Hi,
Go to www.genealogybank.com and click into "historical newspapers"
There are 71 references to Tordenskjold in 1892, some of which detail the sinking. The snippet views are free but to get the entire article you must subscribe.
Good Luck
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jwknudsen
Junior member
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 05:14:08
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Hi Jan Peter,
The Kristiansand passenger list entry was promising. Unfortunately, Arentz was not listed in the manifest of arriving Norge passengers 21 April, 1890. It will require more research into additional documents at the National Archives in New York to determine if he simply rescheduled his departure arrangements.
E: is a code for notes made by the registrar which are not found in the source. That said, the 1900 census entry has still puzzled me for years. The note appears to indicate that 'ved verft' was added in pencil to the occupation Tømmermandskone. My first thought was that Mathilde was managing the shipyard in Arentz' absense, so the registrar appended 'ved verft' to somewhat awkwardly describe her role as more than a carpenter's wife. My second thought was that the registrar had simply noted having interviewed Mathilde at the shipyard rather than at their residence.
Unless more information comes to light sooner, I may just have to wait for publication of the 1910 census to search further for Arentz and for Mathilde's marital status.
Thanks again.
Best, JK
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/10/2010 : 07:26:09
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quote:
My first thought was that Mathilde was managing the shipyard in Arentz' absense, so the registrar appended 'ved verft' to somewhat awkwardly describe her role as more than a carpenter's wife.
Arents occupation has been "Søfarende", "Matros", "Styrmand" and "Skibsfører" I have not seen any evidence that he was a carpenter or that he had a shipyard. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/10/2010 : 11:21:49
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quote:
Originally posted by jwknudsen
Hi Jan Peter,
The Kristiansand passenger list entry was promising. Unfortunately, Arentz was not listed in the manifest of arriving Norge passengers 21 April, 1890. It will require more research into additional documents at the National Archives in New York to determine if he simply rescheduled his departure arrangements.
(...)
Thanks again.
Best, JK
Arent Seo Knudsen (42) arrived New York on April 26th on the ship S/S Hekla.
"Norge" in this case is just a note for his Nationality.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/10/2010 : 12:05:53
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quote:
Originally posted by eibache
Arents occupation has been "Søfarende", "Matros", "Styrmand" and "Skibsfører" I have not seen any evidence that he was a carpenter or that he had a shipyard.
Census-1900 shows his wife Matilde Knutsen listed as "Tømmermandskone ved verft".
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/10/2010 : 16:38:48
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I still don't see any evidence that Matilde was a "Tømmermannskone" from these records and the emigrant record for Arnt Severin, Skibsfører,
ref the following:
In 1865 Arents Severin (Siverin) was “Søfarende”, see
Siverin,
Ungkarl Sømand Arents Severin Knutsen was married to Didrikke Katrine Hval Febr 12 1872, see #1,
Enkemand Matros Arents Severin Knutsen married Pige Mathilde Andreasdatter March 7 1878, see #8,
Severine Matilde was born Aug 24 1878, see #35, parents Styrmand Arnt Severin Knutsen and Matilde Andreasdatter, Havsø,
Sofie Elisabet was born Sept 8 1881, see #28, parents Styrmand Arnt Severin Knutsen and Matilde Knutsen, Langodden,
Nils Martin was born June 3 1884, see #53, parents Styrmand Arnt Severin Knudsen and Mathilde Karlsen, Meyergaden,
Karl Andreas was born April 9 1887, see #57, parents Sømand Arnt Severin Knudsen and Mathilde f. Karlsen, Meyergaden,
Anna Gurine was born May 17 1889, see #13, parents Skibsfører Arnt Severin Knudsen and Mathilde f. Karlsen, Arendal.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/10/2010 : 18:52:23
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| No, not from these records. The presumption comes from the 1900-census only. |
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jwknudsen
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2010 : 22:46:11
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The 26 April, 1890 Hekla arrival manifest lists Arent Seo(?) Knudsen as a 42 year old sailor, and an American citizen.
Arentz Severin Knudsen signed onto Tordenskjold in 1886 as a Norwegian citizen. Even if the USA had been its only port of call, he would not have the required 5 years continuous residency needed to petition for US citizenship before 1891.
Citizenship aside, the Hekla list doesn't include crucial destination and personal details provided by the later forms, so his US residence and occupation remain a mystery.
I imagine that the 'Tømmermandskone ved verft' note in the 1900 Hisøy census reflects changes in the family subsequent to Arentz' departure in 1886. I hope the 1910 census will shed more light on the situation. It's quite correct, however, that all previous documents, including hovedrulle entries from Flekkfjord and Arendal, refer only to a sailing career.
Best, JK
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Arentz Severin Knudsen's last ship - Tordenskjold?
