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suzanne hansen
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 Posted - 08/01/2011 : 02:55:09
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My grandfather Hans Helmin Hansen born 1886 immigrated to South Dakota USA in Sept 1 1905 on Wilson Line Ship Name Angelo. He married Henrietta Marie Braa (parents immigrated in USA in 1883 from Trondheim) in 1908.He immigrated to Canada with his brothers Gunder and Rudolph in 1913. He listed his residence as Oster Aker on the emigration forms. I believe his father is Helmin Hansen born in Raade. Any help finding his parents, their families and ancestry would be appreciated.
Shipping documentation:
#174123 Harbour Oslo 1905 Date 29.08.1905 Date of Departure 01.09.1905 Name Hans Helmin Hans. Sex m Position u Occupation fabr.arb. Age 18 Res Ø. Aker Dest S. Dakota Ticket Prp Agent Freberg & Cløcker Ship Angelo line WILSON LINE |
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eibache
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Posted - 08/01/2011 : 08:11:10
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The baptismal record for Hans Helmin is #35. He was born Jan 23 1887 at Aaseneiet in Vestre Aker.
His parents, Helmin Hansen and Maren Sofie Gundersdatter were married in Askim, Østfold April 11 1882, see #5. (When the mother is called Karen Sofie in the 1900 census, this is a misspelling)
The baptismal record for Helmin Hansen is #95, he was born Dec 1 1852 at Krogstad in Raade. His parents were Hans Gundersen and Oline Andersdatter. (Oline was actually baptized Olia)
The marriage record for Hans Gundersen, Mandstad and Olia Andersdatter, Solberg is #12. They were married June 23 1836 in Onsøy.
The baptismal record for Maren Sofie Gundersdatter is #120, she was born July 18 1853 at Skallougs Plads in Eidsberg. Her parents were Gunder Larsen and Christine Simonsdatter.
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Edited by - eibache on 08/01/2011 08:59:55 |
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eibache
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Posted - 08/01/2011 : 08:25:00
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The baptismal record for Hans Gundersen is the 3rd record in the 2nd column. He was born Nov 2 1811 and his parents were Gunder Nilsen, Manstad and Maria Hansdatter.
The baptismal record for Olia Andersdatter is #14. She was born April 29 1816 and her parents were Anders Andersen, Solberg and Helene Olsdatter.
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Edited by - eibache on 08/01/2011 09:06:26 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 08/01/2011 : 13:44:35
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The 1900 census tells the family lived in "Bryggerhusbygningen" on farm Søndre Østensjø, the southern of two Østensjø farms, split in two farms Nordre and Søndre Østensjø 1656, named after Lake Østensjø.
"Hovedbygningen" Main house is almost hidden between the yellow barn and the yellow "Bryggerhusbygningen" in front, see here
The 2. building on the farm in the 1900 census was "Bryggerhusbygningen" or "Drengestua" where Helmin and his family lived is placed to the right of the barn in the photo, and has been restored
A short description of previous owners, drawings and decriptions of the house, in Norwegian, see here
A translater if you want to read the contents here
The main building and the barn on Søndre Østensjø 1930
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Edited by - Kåarto on 10/01/2011 08:51:25 |
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suzanne hansen
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Posted - 10/01/2011 : 00:54:44
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| Thank you all for your help. It is greatly appreciated. |
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suzanne hansen
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Posted - 21/03/2011 : 05:10:27
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[quote]Originally posted by eibache
The baptismal record for Hans Helmin is #35. He was born Jan 23 1887 at Aaseneiet in Vestre Aker.
His parents, Helmin Hansen and Maren Sofie Gundersdatter were married in Askim, Østfold April 11 1882, see #5. (When the mother is called Karen Sofie in the 1900 census, this is a misspelling)
The baptismal record for Helmin Hansen is #95, he was born Dec 1 1852 at Krogstad in Raade. His parents were Hans Gundersen and Oline Andersdatter. (Oline was actually baptized Olia)
The marriage record for Hans Gundersen, Mandstad and Olia Andersdatter, Solberg is #12. They were married June 23 1836 in Onsøy.
The baptismal record for Maren Sofie Gundersdatter is #120, she was born July 18 1853 at Skallougs Plads in Eidsberg. Her parents were Gunder Larsen and Christine Simonsdatter.
I have been trying to do some searchs by myself and would like to have the files verified. When you have time could you verify the following?
Marriage record for Gunder Larson and Christine Simonsdatter is
Eidsberg 1832- 1848 Parish register Page 285, record 35.
parents are Lars Nielsen and Simon Thorersen (towns - unable to understand). Marriage 24 Oct 1948.
Gunder Larson baptism record Eidsberg 1814-1832 Parish register, page 186, record 6. Birth 23 Dec 1823, Baptism 28 Dec.
Parents are Lars Nielsen and Mari Thorersdatter. (Lekum)
Lars Nielsen and Mari Thorersdatter marriage record - Eidsberg 1814-1832 Parish register, page 200 record 24. Its appears to read Lars Nielsen (Lekum) and Kari Thorsdatter. Marriage date 30 April 1817
Lars Nielsen 1801 Census Eidsberg. Copy of record below. Can you explain who records 377 and 378 are. I cannot get a Norwegian translation.
371 * Niels Larsen Huusbonde 56 Begge i første ægteskab Huusmand med jord og møller M
372 Gunnild Ols Datter Hans kone 34 Begge i første ægteskab K
373 Lars Nielsen Deres børn 10 Ugift M
374 Hans Nielsen Deres børn 1 M
375 Helene Niels Datter Deres børn 7 K
376 Maria Niels Datter Deres børn 4 K
377 Niels Olsen Tjeneste karl 28 Tjeneste karl Tjeneste karl M
378 Kirsti Haagens Dat 80 Enke efter første ægteskab Fattig lem
Mari Thorersdatter 1801 Census Eidsberg
2846* Thorer Jensen Manden 33 1ste ægteskab Huusmand og møller M
2847 Ragnild Knudsdatter Hans kone 27 1ste ægteskab K
2848 Kari Thorersdatter Deres børn 11 K
2849 Mari Thorersdatter Deres børn 6 K
2850 Ragnild Knudsdatter Konens moder 70 Enke 1ste gang Almisse lem K
Christine Simonsdatter birth record, birth 24 Sep 1823, 5 Oct Baptism Eidsberg 1814- 1832 Parish register, page 183 record 54.
Parents Simon Thorersen and Maria Gundersdatter (Finnestad).
Marriage record for Simon (20) and Maria (25). Eidsberg 1814-1832 Parish register, page 211, Record 16 (town - cannot read). Marriage 19 Oct 1820.
Maria Gundersdatter 1801 Census. If this is the correct census I think that Gunder Petersen is her father but cannot translate who anyone else is in this census.
936 * Tollef Erichsen Huusbonde 73 Hani 2det ægteskab Bruger halve gaarden M
937 Olia Olsdatter Hans kone 22 Hun i 1ste ægteskab K
938 Ole Jørgensen Enkemand efter 1ste ægteskab 40 Enkemand efter 1ste ægteskab Har lidt jord at bruge M
939 Peder Olsen Hans børn 14 M
940 Jens Olsen Hans børn 11 M
941 Jørgen Olsen Hans børn 8 M
942 Gunder Petersen Tienestefolk 20 M
943 Helena Jonsdatter Tienestefolk 13 K
944 Pernille Nielsd Huusbondens kones moder 60 Enke efter 1ste ægteskab Huusholderske K
945 Aase Baardsdatter Inderste 34 Ugift Nærer sig ved spinden K
946 Maria Gunnersd Hendes datter 3 K
I cannot locate a 1801 census for Simon Thorersen.
Thank you for your assistance.
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eibache
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Posted - 21/03/2011 : 08:50:20
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Marriage record for Gunder Larson and Christine Simonsdatter is Eidsberg 1832- 1848 Parish register Page 285, record 35.
parents are Lars Nielsen and Simon Thorersen (towns - unable to understand). Marriage 24 Oct 1948.
- Gunder Larsen son of deceased Lars Nielsen, Lekum (it's a farm, not town) and Christine Simonsdatter daughter of Simon Thorersen, Lislerud (it's a farm, not town).
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Gunder Larson baptism record Eidsberg 1814-1832 Parish register, page 186, record 6. Birth 23 Dec 1823, Baptism 28 Dec.
Parents are Lars Nielsen and Mari Thorersdatter. (Lekum)
Lars Nielsen and Mari Thorersdatter marriage record - Eidsberg 1814-1832 Parish register, page 200 record 24. Its appears to read Lars Nielsen (Lekum) and Kari Thorsdatter. Marriage date 30 April 1817
- in both cases Lekum is Lekum Pl - meaning Lekum Plads (Lekum cotter place) Mari/Kari Thorersdatter/Thorsdatter - confirmation based on bapt record would be the best selection I think.
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Lars Nielsen 1801 Census Eidsberg. Copy of record below. Can you explain who records 377 and 378 are. I cannot get a Norwegian translation.
- 377 Tjeneste karl = male servant, 378 Enke efter første ægteskab = widow after 1st marriage.
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Marriage record for Simon (20) and Maria (25). Eidsberg 1814-1832 Parish register, page 211, Record 16 (town - cannot read). Marriage 19 Oct 1820
- Simon came from Pythsbraaten - cotters place, not a town.
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Maria Gundersdatter 1801 Census. If this is the correct census I think that Gunder Petersen is her father but cannot translate who anyone else is in this census.
- only Marias mother is in this census, she is Aase Baardsdatter, Inderste 34 Ugift Nærer sig ved spinden (renter 34 years unmarried works as a spinner) Maria is Hennes datter - her daughter (born out of wedlock), the bapt. record is next to the last in 2nd column, baptized Nov 26 1797, her mother was at Lindhol Plads and the father was Gunner Jensen, Wette.
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I cannot locate a 1801 census for Simon Thorersen.
- I believe he was not born before the census was taken. Most likely his bapt record is the 3rd in second column, baptized Sept 27 1801. His parents were Thorer Willumsen and Mari Simonsdatter, Pyth.
Hope I got it all!
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suzanne hansen
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Posted - 28/03/2011 : 06:27:46
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| Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. Thank you for the explanations and the additional information. |
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suzanne hansen
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Posted - 02/06/2013 : 21:48:50
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I have planned a trip to Norway. Is the farm Bryggerhusbygningen" on farm Søndre Østensjø still a heritage site. Can you provide an address and information regarding visitation. Thanks
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Kåarto
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Posted - 02/06/2013 : 23:25:47
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Drengstua or Bryggerhusbygningen was build ca 1800 on Søndre Østensjø (Southern farm east of the sea/lake) is still standing but in poor condition.
The whole farm is protected
Drengstua means the house where the male servants lived.
Bryggerhusbygningen, origin it was the house beer was brewed, later it became the house where clothes were washed, but this building was rather large and contained at least one apartment.
Most Bryggerhusbygningen contained an a apartment.
Excavations show that people has lived here since the early iron age, ca 500 BC to 500 AC.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/06/2013 : 20:14:51
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Add information for Søndre Østensjø.
The farm was in 1657 owned by king Fredrik III and sold to private owners.
In the 1700s there were several owners of the farm and it was split up in two farms, Nordre (Northern) and Søndre (Southern) Østensjø.
1837 Halvor and Nicoline Holtsmark-Tveter bought Søndre Østensjø, build new houses and expanded the farm and it became one of the largest and best farms in Aker.
Their son Håkon Tveter takes over both Nordre - and Søndre Østensjø and the farm was owned by this family until 1996 and was operated as a modern model farm.
Livestock production was discounted 1963, and run today with grain production.
The Østensjø farms are today the best preserved farms in Oslo and are protected by the law of cultural heritage.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 03/06/2013 20:17:59 |
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suzanne hansen
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Posted - 05/06/2013 : 06:04:34
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Thank you Kåre for all your help and providing all this information.
I understand this means that as the farms are protected by the law of cultural heritage that I would be able to visit the farms. My sister is traveling with me and my cousin and his wife are also traveling to Norway. We are all very interested and excited to visit Oslo and see the farm where out grandfather was born.
If you have any suggestion of places to visit it would be appreciated. Thank again.
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JaneC
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suzanne hansen
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Posted - 24/02/2016 : 05:24:16
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I have attached the following record from the Askim parish for the birth and baptism of my great aunt: Olga Christine Hansen
website: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000005147941.
Person number 2. is her father and person number 3. her mother.
Could you please explain the relationship of the remainder of the people to my aunt?
thanks
Suzanne
Church book from Askim parish 1882-1897 (0124P)
Helmin Hansen
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ID: pd00000005147941 Gender: m
Role: far Age:
Person no.: 2 Date of birth: 1852
Family position: Røgter Place of birth:
Illegitimate: Residence: Stensrud (Rudsplads)
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Persons involved
P.no. Role Family position, marital status and occupation Name Age/born Place of birth Residence
1 barn Olga Christine 10.10.1882
2 far Røgter Helmin Hansen 1852 Stensrud (Rudsplads)
3 mor H. Maren Sofie Gundersdtr 1853 Stensrud (Rudsplads)
4 fadder Grbr Hans Petter Anders. Ruud
5 fadder Grbr Hans Petter Anders. H.* !! !! Ruud
6 fadder Grbrsøn Otto Hansen Ruud
7 fadder Husmd Gunder Larsen Stensrud
8 fadder Pige Anna Magnusdtr Verven
Baptisms
Baptism no. Serial no. Year Baptism date Confirmed Baptism place Parish/Church
28 28 1882 19.11 Askim |
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AntonH
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Helmin Hansen from Raade sm born 1852
