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ShellaCarlson
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 Posted - 08/04/2011 : 17:16:26
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I am trying to locate any information on a man named Carl Eriksen.
Family records list him as Karl Enersen, and I am not sure which is the correct name or spelling.
Carl appears to be originally from Värmland in Sweden, however likely was living in the area of Tolgen, Nordre Osterdalin around 1869 as he is listed as father of Embret Carlson, who was born April 17 1870 in Kotmoen. The baptism record lists Carl as the father but indicates he was not married to the mother (Gidsken Tollefsdatter).
(Here is link to baptism record, at the bottom #23
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8907&idx_id=8907&uid=ny&idx_side=-108)
Perhaps someone might help me translate exactly how to read this baptism record - what is all the information listed?
I am hoping to find any information on Carl, as I have so little to go on I am not even sure where to start. Any suggestions or clues would be very appreciated! |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 08/04/2011 : 18:02:59
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Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 08/04/2011 : 19:53:16
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Embret was Gidskens 4th child born out of wedlock.
In the baptismal record the father is named Carl, possibly Erikson, coming from Värmland in Sweden. His whereabouts at the time of the baptism was unknown.
Gidskens 3rd child, Simen, was born out of wedlock May 23 1867, see #13. The father was Thore Olsen, Røseplads.
To find more info on the fathers is not an easy task, if at all possible.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/04/2011 : 00:09:51
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This bap. for Embret Carlsen Braaten tells that Embret´s father Carl was a "svensk skomager" swedish shoemaker, see first entry, #3
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ShellaCarlson
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Posted - 09/04/2011 : 06:13:19
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Thank you for this information!
I'm also forming a picture of the mother, Gidsken. It appears she has several children, all outside of wedlock with different fathers. I presume this is not commonplace for the time? This leads me to think she was not a very reputable woman? Was there such a thing as a brothel at that time? |
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ShellaCarlson
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Posted - 09/04/2011 : 06:29:57
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| On Kåre's link, up at the top there is something written that I cannot make out: "svensk skomager Carl - -something - - " directly above that it says something about Erikson from Varmland? I find it difficult to make out what the letters and words are! I think I see the word "uekte" which translated means born out of wedlock, but I had that word previously translated, so it makes it easier to identify words I'm already expecting. Also, I can pick out the mother's name Gidsken Tollefsdtr, again only because I know to look for it, but all the other words I have difficulty making out what the letters are to begin to translate. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/04/2011 : 07:12:21
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Under the column for parents it reads:
"Svensk Skomager Carl, maaske med tilnavn Eriksen, fra Värmland. Opholdssted ubekjent, Pigen Gidsken Tollefsdatter, Braaten, hendes 4de Leiermål, opgivet af Ole Knudsen, Støen."
- Swedish shoemaker Carl, probably with last name Eriksen, from Värmland, unknown resident, maiden Gidsken Tollefsdatter, Braaten, her 4th child born out of wedlock, information given by Ole Knudsen, Støen.
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Edited by - eibache on 09/04/2011 11:10:27 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/04/2011 : 07:23:43
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It appears she has several children, all outside of wedlock with different fathers.
- by searching the different baptism records for the periode in question it looks as it was not uncommon with children born out of wedlock in Tolga.
Gidskens sister Sigrid also had a son, Ingebret, born out of wedlock, see 1865.
Gidskens first child born out of wedlock Sept 13 1858, was baptized Thollef, see #66. The father was sergeant Andreas Andersen from Røros.
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Edited by - eibache on 09/04/2011 07:37:07 |
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ShellaCarlson
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Posted - 10/04/2011 : 04:58:03
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Thank you very much for this assistance! I sincerely appreciate each response to my queries, each comment is invaluable to me!
Truly, without the help I've found on this site I would have zero knowledge of my Norwegian ancestors! |
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Birger Hagland
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Sweden
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Posted - 23/04/2011 : 16:06:03
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Hello
I have a photo of Carl Ener Enersen was taken by a photographer named Herbert Bridle 526 S. Second Street, Phila., Pa.
Carl was a friend of my grandfather (born 1878). I think Carl was moved from Sweden to the United States but was born in Norway, like my grandfather.
I'd love to get in touch with any living relatives to send the photo to.
Sincerely,
Birger Hagland
birger@hagland.org
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ShellaCarlson
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Posted - 24/04/2011 : 06:56:00
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Frej,
Yes, please send me the photo. I wonder if it might be the same Carl Enerson? Do you have any other information on him? Any dates or places? |
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Birger Hagland
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Sweden
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Posted - 27/04/2011 : 10:56:37
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1890 was the family in Charlottenberg, Värmland, Sweden
Census 1890 ANNO 1890. The Swedish. County of Värmland, Eda parish
Karl Emil Enersen b. 1854 Christiania, NorgeAbout the personHomeparish: Eda
Residence: Charlottenberg tobacco factory located in southern Emterud.
County: Värmland
Year of birth: 1854
Place of birth:
Parish of birth: Christiania, Norway
Occupation: Tobacco Worker
Title:
Marital status: G (Married)
Gender: M (Man)
Family status:
Family status code: F (Father/husband)
Other details:v
About the householdPersons in the household:
Family no: 1
Karl Emil Enersen b. 1854, Tobacco Worker
Maren Ovidia Davidsen b. 1854
Karl Ener Kristoffer b. 1878
Tryggve Marinus b. 1881
Mary Berta Elise b. 1887
Karl Ener Kristoffer b. 1878 Grönland Christiania in Norway
About the personHomeparish:Eda
Residence: Charlottenberg tobacco factory located in southern Emterud.
County: Värmland
Year of birth:1878
Place of birth:
Parish of birth: Grönland Christiania in Norway
Occupation:
Title:
Marital status: O (Unmarried)
Gender: M (Man)
Family status:s.
Family status code: B (Child)
Other details:v
1900 was the family in Oslo, Norway. Karl Ener Kristoffer missing. Maybe he went alone to the U.S. or together with his brother Trygve Marinus (also missing in Oslo in 1900)?
Housing in Oslo 1900
Karl Emil Enersen hf g Tobacco Worker 1854 Kristiania
Maren Ovidie Enersen hm g 1854 Kristiania
Mary Bertha Elise Enersen d ug 1887 Charlottenberg Sverige
Ragnhild Alvilde Emilie Enersen d ug 1891 Charlottenberg Sverige
Ragnvald Kristian Enersen s ug 1897 Charlottenberg Sverige
Then Ragnvald Kristian was born in Sweden in 1897 and was living in Oslo in 1900 maybe the family moved to Norway from Sweden in 1897, 1898 or 1899th?
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ShellaCarlson
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Posted - 27/04/2011 : 19:15:04
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Birger, thank you for sending me the photo, and for all this information. While I'm not sure if it's the same Carl Enersen, I still find it extremely helpful.
I would expect the Carl I'm looking for would have been born in Värmland, likely sometime between 1820-1850. Karl Emil Enersen was born in 1954, although lived in Värmland in 1890, does not appear he was originally from that area. When he was 15 years old, would he have been in the area of Tolgen, Norway, and working as a shoemaker, to have fathered Embret. Seems unlikely, but I suppose not impossible. |
Edited by - ShellaCarlson on 27/04/2011 19:15:39 |
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