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Peter Lee
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 Posted - 15/08/2011 : 04:26:35
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Hans and Gertrude Sanderson were residents of Sarpsborg (or were at least born in or near there). Hans was born December 9th, 1828, and Gertrude was born March 2, 1838. They left for Quebec in 1878. I would like to know anything about the voyage, including what family members went with them.
I believe their daughter, Anna Marie Sanderson, who married a man named John Olsen, left later. I recently found that their first child, Elmer, was likely born while they were still in Norway, on April 24th, 1879. Anna Marie Sanderson was born in 1858. I would like to know when they left Norway, and anything about their voyage. |
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Hopkins
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Peter Lee
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 16:11:34
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Sorry for the confusion.
Hans and Gertrude Sanderson were the parents of Anna Marie Sanderson (born 1828 and 1838, respectively).
Anna Marie Sanderson was born in about 1858. She married a man named John Olsen.
Anna Marie and John Olsen's first child was Elmer. Elmer was born 4/24/1879. Evidence strongly suggests he was born in Norway.
And yes, Anoka was the ultimate destination.
The two links below are identical, were they meant to be different? |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 16:19:11
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I also believe its the right family, Grethe Sandersen civil status was g (gift/married) the tickets was paid for, also Ole Sandersen "ug" unmarried, age 40, traveled with them (nr 37258), ha paid 203.5 Kroner for the ticket, all from Varteig at Sarpsborg.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 16:39:33
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The 1875 Norwegian census must have been indexed by a volunteer for FamilySearch -- that census shows Ole Sandersen and Grethe Eriksdatter on a farm indexed as "Lande" in Varteig. The original handwritten image would have to be checked to see if the handwriting was "difficult" or if the man actually used the name Ole then.
On the emigration register of 1881 - the daughter Andrine B. Hans. is listed just above Grethe and the other children.
How many Sandersens were in Anoka, Minnesota? Is there really a chance for confusion between families? What is the source for the birthdates given and spelling of names? |
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Peter Lee
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 16:50:07
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I can check the siblings this evening against the list of other siblings of the Sandersons. I suspect this is the right family.
Now I am realizing I may have misunderstood some obituaries. I wonder if Hans left first, in 1878, and Gertrude/Greta left second, with children, in 1881. I know it wasn't uncommon for the husband to go first.
But are there any records of Anna Marie, John Olsen, and Elmer leaving? A second child of Anna Marie and John Olsen was supposedly born in Anoka in 1881.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 16:57:28
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Anne Maria was born in Varteig in Tune Nov. 28. 1857, bap Dec. 28, see top left page #410
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Peter Lee
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 16:58:15
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The sources were mainly obituaries from Anoka newspapers and death certificates. Obituaries can always be suspect.
But Elmer's death certificate lists Noway as his place of birth. His obituary states he was born in Norway and came as a young child to America. His sister was born in Anoka 2 - 3 years later.
If all of this is correct, John Olsen and Anna Marie Sanderson were married in Norway, Elmer was born in 1879, and then they left within a year or two. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 17:01:09
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Hi, just a thought.
Elmer can be Americanized from Helmer, Hilmar, Hjalmar.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 17:02:23
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Here is the arrival in New York, not Quebec of a Gretha Sanderson traveling with the following children, Erik, Arndt, George, Julius. A Andrine Hansen is listed just below this family on the manifest.
Name: Gertha Sanderson
Arrival Date: 11 Jul 1881
Birth Year: abt 1839
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Arizona
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 17:07:21
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| The online Minnesota Death Certificates Index shows that "Gertie Sanderson" died in Anoka in 1907 and that lists mother's maiden name as Erickson -- one more coincidence or confusion of the family with traditional Norwegian naming? |
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Peter Lee
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 17:09:59
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This is great. Like I said, Hans must have gone first, only his obit mentioned Quebec. I misread that, I bet.
Is there any way to track down the marriage of John Olsen and Anna Marie and the birth of Elmer? |
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Peter Lee
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 17:12:49
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| Yes, Gertrude died in 1907. Hans in 1912. |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 17:13:18
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| Death certificates can be suspect too. The person who knew the accurate information the best was the deceased. The information about the death should be the most trusted info on such a document but I'd check to see who reported the info to the authorities. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 17:31:32
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A marriage for "John Olsen" and Anna Marie Hansdatter could first be suspected to have happened in her home parish - Varteig. You could check the parish records for such an event recorded.
But if Anna Marie had gone to Olso/Kristiania like her sister, Andrine B., then that's much more difficult. Oslo/Kristiania was a large city and there were multiple church congregations that would have to be searched.
Also I'm sure you've noticed that "John Olsen" and "Anna Hansdatter" are very very common names.
The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005.
The Digitalarkivet web site - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
Clicking on "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] will bring up another screen and listing to choose from. Choose "Lesa skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Read the digitised parish records" [English version].
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
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Peter Lee
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Posted - 15/08/2011 : 17:50:22
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Which would be easier, on average, looking for an emigration record for the three of them, or, looking for the marriage record?
I would assume that one would help lead to the other, and I am interested in both. |
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Anna Marie Sanderson Olson
