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Peter Lee
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 Posted - 16/08/2011 : 15:35:30
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One more question. Is there any evidence that the father of John Olsen, Ole Nielsen, was Swedish? You said John Olsen was born in Solor (I have other relatives that were from Solor).
Here is why I ask. I have a death record from Anoka, 1890, for a John Olsen. Everything fits but it mentions that he is half Swedish, with a Swedish father, and that he was born in Sweden, not Norway.
As mentioned before, John Olsen is a very common name, but there are some coincidences on the death certificate, including mentioning his mother's name as Gertrude. |
Edited by - Peter Lee on 16/08/2011 17:16:52 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/08/2011 : 19:14:44
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I will try to figure out for you if he was a Swede.
Normally Nilsen would have been Nilson in Sweden.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/08/2011 : 19:25:57
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No information that he was a Swede.
Both Ole Nilsen age 49 and his father Nils Johansen was from farm Løvaasen (Løvåsen) in Brandvald, Grue, see marriage April 8. 1844, #20
Gjertrud Jacobsdatter age 34 was from Gammelsæterberg, her father was Jacob Eriksen Gammelsæterberget
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Edited by - Kåarto on 16/08/2011 20:10:07 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/08/2011 : 23:52:25
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I think this is the arrival record for Anne Marie Olson and her son Hjalmar. I know it says they are Swedish and she is here called Anne Molson, but just about everybody on the Digitalarkivet page with Anne and son is on this ship. Also looking at the orginal manifest I think the name should be Anne M Olson not Molson. The name of her son is almost unreadable and the transcriber listed it as Juliana infant female, but maybe it is Hjalmar infant male. The next two names after Anne are Peder Olsen age 40 and Ole Olsen age 11, who I think are Peder Ols. age 40 and Ole Peders. age 11 from the Digitalarkivet emigrants page. A little further down the page is Souder Hansen age 19 and Ole Hansen age 11, who I think are Sander Hansen age 19 and Ole Hansen age 11 from the Digitalarkivet emigrants page.All of these people are listed as Swedish as well. On a separate page for the same
ship is Henry Roberts age 40 who is listed as Henry Robert age 40 on the Digitalarkivet emigrants page. Oddly enough Henry Roberts is listed as Norwegian.
Anne Molsen
Arrival Date: 22 Jun 1880
Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 25
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Swedish
Place of Origin: Sweden
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Arizona
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Peter Lee
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 05:48:56
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Originally posted by Hopkins
Quebec was a common port of arrival in North America for those headed to locations in the upper mid-west of the US. There are many articles on this website about that.
The journey would have started with a "feeder ship" leaving Oslo/Kristiania taking this family to Hull in England where they would have taken transportation to another port of the British Isles to board a trans-Atlantic ship to their chosen port of arrival in N. America. There are many articles on this website about that as well.
The same emigration register for persons departing Oslo/Kristiania in 1880 shows a married Johannes Olsen of appropriate age, last residence Onsø and occupation matching that listed on the record of his son's birth.
I used this as a chance to learn how to search for some things myself. While I think I learned some things, I could not find Johannes's emigration record.
Here is what I tried:
I changed the language to English.
I chose Emigrants for the source category.
I chose 1800 - 1899 for the period.
It says 93 databases have been found.
I chose Emigrants from Kristiania 1871-1930 new, because that is where (I think) Anne Marie was listed.
I chose year equals 1880 and hit search
I enter in first and last name, even using starts with instead of equals, and I cannot find him.
I also tried Domicile starts with Ons
What am I missing? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 06:26:32
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I tried going directly to Emigranter over Kristiania 1871-1930 ny Then put in
År er lik 1880 gives 9709
Etternamn innheld ols gives 1195
Førenamn inneheld jo gives 61
Heimstad inneheld ons gives 1 a John Olson
I tried to link to the page which seems to work intially, but then later reverts back to the main page? |
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eibache
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 08:41:17
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I tried going directly to Emigranter over Kristiania 1871-1930 ny Then put in
År er lik 1880 gives 9709
Etternamn innheld ols gives 1195
Førenamn inneheld jo gives 61
Heimstad inneheld ons gives 1 a John Olson
- the record should have been John - age is off by approx 10 years. |
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Peter Lee
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 19:08:09
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| Hopkin's message says that John Olsen's occupation is the same as when his son was born (I believe that is a sawmill worker). Does this record show that? |
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eibache
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 19:56:49
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Hopkin's message says that John Olsen's occupation is the same as when his son was born (I believe that is a sawmill worker). Does this record show that?
- both records show John/Johannes occupation to be "Skomager"- shoemaker. |
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Edited by - eibache on 19/09/2011 19:58:18 |
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eibache
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 20:15:01
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When Johannes Olsen is recorded as moving in at Onsøy, his occupation is also Skomager. See #30.
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eibache
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Posted - 19/09/2011 : 21:50:27
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Ole Nielsen, his parents and a sister in 1801.
Gjertrud Jacobsdatter was baptized April 8 1810, (she was born 7 weeks before) and her parents were Jacob Erichsen and Marthe Olsdatter, see 5th record from bottom of right page.
The parents (and grandparents) in 1801.
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Peter Lee
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 03:17:44
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| It seems like he was going back and forth between being a sawmill worker and a shoemaker, or, one of the previous posts was incorrect about him being a sawmill worker. The previous post said "The marriage record tells that Johannes (John) Olsen was a sawmill worker when he married and where he was born.". Maybe the sawmill worker info was misinterpreted. As I try to interpret the marriage record (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?urnread_imagesize=gigant&info=ingen&hode=nei&show=4&uid=196041&js=j) int he column I believe is job (stillting), it starts with sag, which is saw, sawmill is sagbruk. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 05:01:01
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Hi,
It seems to say millworker about John and millworker's daughter about Anne Marie.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 07:29:23
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The marriage record #17 definitely say that Johannes Olsen was "Sagarbeider" and that Anne Marie Hansdatter was a "Sagarbeiders datter" when they were married.
Johannes father was Husmand (Cottager) Ole Nilsen and his Forlover (best man) was Sagarbeider John Olsen.
Anne Maries father was Sagarbeider Hans Sandersen, and her Forlover was her father. |
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Anna Marie Sanderson Olson
