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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 28/08/2011 :  16:55:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi.
Lars Agrimsen died on Kalsegeie Sept. 5. 1904
Lars Agrimsen married and retired
His wife born 1821;
1826 (1821)
born in Lærdal in Sogn
recidence Kalsegeie
cause of death: "Slim på Hjertet" mucus on the Heart (probably of pneumonia
see #31

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 28/08/2011 16:57:52
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Lukeduk1980
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USA
185 Posts

Posted - 28/08/2011 :  17:18:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow- Really? Worked on the first railroad. So he emigrated but not to the United States but to a different part of Norway. Interesting

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Lukeduk1980
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USA
185 Posts

Posted - 28/08/2011 :  18:00:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Kåre, You are a great help. Alot of other family trees have this by his name N.LJØSNO ...... Nedste Ljøsno???

Lucas

Edited by - Lukeduk1980 on 28/08/2011 18:04:03
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 28/08/2011 :  18:40:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nedste is local dialect for "Nederste" Lower Ljøsno Lucas, probably local for Lysne.

In 1865 there were 12 Ljøsno "Lysne" farms in Lærdal;
Upper "Øvre" - Central "Midtre" and Lower - "Nedste" Lysne.

Kåre
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Lukeduk1980
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USA
185 Posts

Posted - 28/08/2011 :  18:41:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Excellent, Thank you.
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 28/08/2011 :  18:46:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eidvoll Station where Lars Agrimsen worked, the station was build 1878 and was in use until 1998.
English link to the left.

There are probably several descendants after Lars in Norway too.

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 28/08/2011 18:58:20
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 28/08/2011 :  19:14:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lars Agrimsen became a grandfather to a girl in 1882, Margit Kristine, born on Kalsegeie June 16.
The father was his son Anton Larsen b. 1863 (1862 in the censuses) and Karen Kristoffersdr. they were not married, among the godparents, see right page, was Antons two sisters and father; Indiane Algrimsdr. Kalseg, Anna Algimsdr. Kalseg and Lars Algrimsen Kalseg.
See #64

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 28/08/2011 19:19:06
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 29/08/2011 :  08:55:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I see you youse the old spelling Ljøsno for Lysne.
Was Ljøsno used in the family in USA?

Ljøsno/Lysne is an old farm, means probaly "Lysning" a clearing in the forest.
Various spellings for Lysne throuhg the centuries, see here;
Ljøsne, Liosnom, Liostnom, Liosnom in 1463, Lyosnæ, Liusszne in 1532, Liøssne in 1563, Lyssen in 1603, Lyssne in 1603, Liusne in 1663 and Lysne in 1773.

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 29/08/2011 09:01:16
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Lukeduk1980
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Posted - 29/08/2011 :  19:18:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No, alot of other family trees listed that. I was unsure what it ment.
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Lukeduk1980
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USA
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Posted - 29/08/2011 :  20:40:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now, The family tree says the father came to the United States. The mother looks like passed away in Lærdal before 1856. Not sure where the father landed.

Edited by - Lukeduk1980 on 29/08/2011 21:49:32
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 02/09/2011 :  19:42:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don´t know what happened with Lars father.

Add. Raa information:
There were several Raa farms and subfarms under Raa, all these sub farms had their own local name, official is was Raa. Johannes Johannesen 1844 was born on Glithaug, a sub farm under Raa.
His father Johannes Henriksen Haugen (Øvre Voll) fathered two children born out of wedloc with Mari Andersdotter;
- Mari 1827-1912 married "Storre-guten" (the Storre-boy) from Storrehaugen in Årdalstangen, Sogn
- Anders 1831, married Margrete Knudsdotter 1857 in Lærdalsøra.

Children with Mette Olsdatter Glithaug/Raa
- Ole 1832-1880 (Johannes Henriksen married Mette Olsd. in 1835). Ole 1832 married 1863 Maria Baardsdotter Brubakken 1835-1916.
- Anna 1835-1916 married Ørjan Sevatsen from Borgund in Lærdal
- Henrik 1838, em 1857 to USA, see right page #129
- Guri 1841
- Your Johannes 1844, em. 1873
- Anna 1848, to Voss parish, Hordaland County 1875
- Ole 1853, em 1871 to USA where he married Brita Olsdr Lysne b. 1858, left page;Ole Johannesen Raa em #52

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 02/09/2011 21:04:02
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Lukeduk1980
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USA
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Posted - 03/09/2011 :  00:51:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So these are all the children Johannes Henrikson and Mari Andersdotter had together. They had 2 children out of wedlock, the rest in wedlock?
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Hopkins
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USA
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Posted - 03/09/2011 :  02:11:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The parish record of a birth/baptism records whether the child was born in or out of wedlock.
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
(http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html)

Read the postings above very carefully - then check the original records yourself.
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Lukeduk1980
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Posted - 03/09/2011 :  04:18:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Hopkins. Reading it right now but I have one more question. I am inputting these names into my family tree like for instance, lets take Johannes above....Johannes Johannesen Glithaug. Or sometimes Johannes Johannesen Raa. I also see where they have multiple farms after the name. Isn't it appropriate to put the farm (gard) that they were born on after their name if you were inputting it into a family tree? I know the names changed as they moved from one farm to another but in a genealogy sense, is it more appropriate that if you were entering a name into a family tree, you use the farm that they were born at the end of their name?

Lucas
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/09/2011 :  11:40:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
People changed lastname depending on where they lived.

Mette Olsdatter Rikum married Johannes Hendriksen Vold /Øvrevold March. 26. 1835, #4, local name was Øyane, which was a sub farm under Rikum.

Mette Olsdr. was born March 13. bap. March 20. 1808. parents Ole Olsen Øvre Lysne and Anna Finnsdatter, see midt right page Mette
The parents married 1805.

Anna Findsdatter 1783-1842 was from Øyane, a subfarm under Rikum (Rikheim) and died on Rikum (Øyane) August 4. 1842, #48
After her husband Ole Olsen Øvre Lysne died 1818 Anna Findsdatter June 30. 1822 married Knud Davidsen Raa born 1785, he died on Rikum April 1848.

From that I read:
Mette Olsdr. lived on Rikum (Øyane) with her mother and steph father when she married Johannes Henriksen and settled down on Glithaug (Raa)

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 03/09/2011 16:08:21
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