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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 15/09/2011 : 01:59:06
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Perhaps I can eliminate one Søren Tellefsen using the 1865 census. Here is a Søren Tellefsen born in Kristiansand abt. 1795 age is 70. This is likely Søren Tellefsen born in Kristiansand Nov 1794. I know from the Åmli Tovdal bygdebok that the Søren Tellefsen I am interested in died in 1857 and his wife Rannei Larsdatter did not die until 1871. Thus this Søren Tellefsen is likely not the Søren Tellefsen married to Rannei Larsdatte but is likely the Søren Tellefsen born in Kristiansand with parents Tellef Tellefsen and
Anne Andersdatter. This leaves just one maybe two Søren Tellefsen none of which has a father named Tellef Sørensen unfortunately.
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http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60903&gardpostnr=93&personpostnr=856&merk=856#ovre |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/09/2011 : 02:28:18
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Focusing on the Søren Tellefsen born 1797 parents Tellef Nielsen and Ane Tommesdatter. I notice that the birth record has him born in Tveit, Vest-Agder, whereas the 1801 census has him living in Tviet, Birkenes, Aust-Agder. Are they truly two different places or is this one those instances in which Tveit sits on the borderof Vest-Agder and Aust-Agder and is moved from one county to the other.
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hasto
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Posted - 15/09/2011 : 21:15:02
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| Søren Tellefsen (70) in Arendal 1865 is the one born in Grødum, Tveit. His son Thomas Sørensen, born in Kristiansand 1832 nr 133, and his marriage 1824 nr 44. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/09/2011 : 03:40:26
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Thanks Harold that puts me back on track. I only have two candidates, and one of them is somewhat iffy because he was born in 1788 not 1797.
1. Søren Tellefsen born 1794 parents Tellef Tellefsen and Anne Andersdatter associated with Oddernes, Randersund and Tveit in Vest-Ager. Father dead in 1801 Census mother calls herself Anne Tellefsen. Farms called Eftevig, Koesvig, Stangenes, Støle
2. Søren Tellefsen born 1788 parents Tellef Barentsen? Tonnesland and Targier Sørensdatter associated with Tonnesland and Houland in either Hornnes AA or Bjelland VA. Father also dead at 1801 census, mother remarried.
Parents engagement announced? 1786 about a third of the way down left page.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9445&idx_id=9445&uid=ny&idx_side=-60
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 02:41:49
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Having received this information through the Brukernes eget forum I wonder if anyone could translate the words following Søren Teffesen in the fifth column. Does it say fra Hartveidt or Hartsveidt.Sogn and what is the meaning of that column.
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eibache
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 07:42:19
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| In the 5th column is listed where the person came from. In this case Søren Tellefsen "Tjenestekarl" (farmhand) came from Hordnæs (Hornnes) Sogn (parish) in Evje. |
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Edited by - eibache on 20/09/2011 07:44:34 |
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eibache
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 08:39:36
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Tellev Bærentsen, Tønnesland and Targier Sørensdatter, Grosaas were married March 28 1786, see last record on left page.
Their first child, Karen In th 1801 census Kari) was baptized Oct 1 1786, see #3.
Søren was baptized Oct 12 1788, see #1 at Dom 21 p Trinit.
Tellef Berentsen, Tønnesland, 41 years old, was burried Oct 21 1792, see bottom of right page.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 16:42:55
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Thank you Einar for the information. Maybe moving toward a tentative conclusion. Can you take a look at another bit of information that Ann-Mary found on Brukernes eget forum. Here the words are av Iveland. How does the word av differ in use from the word fra which is used other times. Does av Iveland mean something different that if it had said fra Iveland. This is from the Ministrialbok in contrast to the other which was from the Klokkerbok. Also #17
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9420&idx_id=9420&uid=ny&idx_side=-178
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/09/2011 : 23:21:03
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I spent some time today at the library with the bygdebøker for Hornnes and Iveland. The Hornnes bygdebok has a section on Tønnesland and also a section on Haugland. The Iveland bygdebok had a secton on Grosaas and a section on Frøysaa.
The section on Grosaas indicates that Targier Sørensdatter was first married in 1786 to Tellef Berntsen Tønnesland and later to Olav Olsson Haugland (Hornnes). Her father is listed as Søren Torgiesen Frøysaa. The section on Tønnesland refers to Targiers first husband as Tollie Berntson frå Kile i Hægeland (I have not yet found this farm). The Haugland section has a paragraph or two on Ola Olson Tønnesland-Haugland. Unfortunatley it ends with the words. "Kor Ola Olson seinare flytte, er ukjend". This is after he has sold Haugland br.nr. 2 to Torgei Sørensen, this was in about 1806 so Søren Tellefsen would have been about 18
The part about Frøysaa has a section on Thorgj Tolleison, father of Søren Torgiesen, later to become father of Targier. It does not say much about Søren only that he "kom til Grosaas".
There does seem to be some moderately stong facts connecting the Søren Tellefsen who married Rannie Larsdatter to the Søren Tellefsen son of Tellef Berentsen and Targier Sørensdatter. Mostly locations given for Søren Tellefsen given in the scanned church records are where Søren Tellefsen son of Tellef Berentsen and Targier Sørensdatter is from. That is Hornnes and Iveland.
Problems are his father is listed as Tellef Sørensen in the Åmli church records not Tellef Berentsen. However his mother is a Sørensdatter and he would have been only four years old when his father died. Maybe he used a combination of his fathers first name and mothers last name.
Second problem is his birth year is 1788 not 1797 which is also given in the Åmli church record. I have no explanation for that.
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Edited by - AntonH on 20/09/2011 23:26:26 |
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eibache
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Posted - 21/09/2011 : 09:43:17
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Does av Iveland mean something different that if it had said fra Iveland.
- I don't see any difference between the two expressions - means coming from.
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eibache
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Posted - 21/09/2011 : 09:45:23
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Any comments on the evidence pro and con would be appreciated
- this will require quite some time to investigate, have to be later some time.
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eibache
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Posted - 21/09/2011 : 15:45:39
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The section on Grosaas indicates that Targier Sørensdatter was first married in 1786 to Tellef Berntsen Tønnesland and later to Olav Olsson Haugland (Hornnes)
- first marriage see posting 20/09/2011 : 08:39:36.
Second marriage, Jan 18 1794, see 4th record on left page.
Targeir and Ole in 1801.
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eibache
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Posted - 21/09/2011 : 16:29:26
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Kile i Hægeland (I have not yet found this farm)
- in Vest-Agder, Oddernæs, Hægeland, Kiile.
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Edited by - eibache on 21/09/2011 17:22:53 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/10/2011 : 00:26:19
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I have finally received some scanned pages from the Randesund bygdebok. While it does give me some information on the paents of Søren Tellefsen it does not mention his birth or who he married.. I did find his birth record. 1794
But I am not able to distinguish between the two.
Is it Søren Tellefsen born Oct 1, 1788 to Tollei Berntson Kile and Tarjerd Sørensdatter Fryøsaa OR
Is it Søren Tellefsen born Nov 2, 1794 to Tellef Tellefsen Vesterhaus and Anne Andersdatter Kosvig..
Such is life.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/10/2011 : 01:55:25
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Hi,
What are the first names of each of their children in order?
Jackie M. |
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