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Erik Carsten
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 Posted - 11/02/2012 : 17:39:28
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[quote]Originally posted by Erik Carsten
[quote]Originally posted by eibache
Confirmation record for Johan Gundersen, Mørkhagen is #47.
Johan Gundersen and his younger brother Martinus moved out from Elverum 1867, see #22 and 23.
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Eibache, i know I am grasping at air here, but can you read who the person (#21) is the above link to the Uttflytte records?
Attached are the people in the 1865 census who are the #17-#20. I have found they settled in Wisconsin so there is no connection between these people and the Hagens.
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=34&filnamn=f60427&gardpostnr=944&personpostnr=5862&merk=5862#ovre
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eibache
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Posted - 11/02/2012 : 23:33:18
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#21 is Pige Eline Jensdatter, Braaten, 34 years old.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 12/02/2012 : 20:10:47
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thank you Eibache,
I just think it is interesting that Johan age 20 went with his younger brother who was only 15 years old with out having a family waiting for them in America, or without traveling with another family.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/02/2012 : 22:51:58
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Johan and Martinus were send first with family or friends to America 1867.
The parents Gunder Gundersen b. 1826 and Inger Jørgensdatter (Gundersen) b. 1815 em. to Evansville 1883, see
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 13/02/2012 : 00:13:20
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I doubt the boys were sent 15 years ahead of when the parents and other brother came...they did have one brother, Ole, who came in 1882 and he did seem to prepare the way for the group that came in 1883.
Unless we find in the 1870 US Census, the two boys who immigrated in 1867 we may never know the answer..
But one of the boys, (Johan) married the Annie Josiasdatter Børaas and they should have been in Goodhue County, Holden township in 1870, so it stands ot reason that the boys could have been there also, otherwise how would they have met?
There might be a problem with the 1870 US Census as I cannot find the Børaas family in this census either. This leads me to suspect there are some gaps and missing information.
We will have to let it go for now as I've think we have gone about as far as we can until more information comes to light.
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/02/2012 : 03:04:53
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Here is a candidate from 1875 Minnesota Territorial and State Census. Has a wife named Belle? age 21 and daughter Amelia age 2 born in Minnesota
If this is the same family it would appear that John used the name Gunderson when his daughter was born, and thus maybe the same name in 1870 Census.
Minnesota, Births and Christenings Index, 1840-1980 Minnesota, Births and Christenings Index, 1840-1980
Name: Amelia Gunderson
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1872
Birth Place: Faribault, Rice, Minnesota
Gender: Female
Race: White
Father's Name: John Gunderson
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Name: Belle
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 13/02/2012 : 03:13:45
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yes Anton, this is Johan Hagen and his wife Belle, They later are known as John and Ingeborganna Hagen.
This is becoming a very long thread and was mentioned but this family was found by Jackie Marler earlier in the thread. I am sorry you went to the trouble.
This does gives us an important clue that they could have been using the name underson in the 1870 Census.
Martin Gunderson later became known as Hagan b. 1852
Johan Gunderson b. 1847 later became known as John Hagen.
I still think there is a section of the census missing, or until we find more information I am afraid we are at a dead end here.....for now.
Thank you again Anton.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/02/2012 : 11:51:02
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Challenging: Another name for Mørkhagen was Skansen. Gunder and Inger with 3. sons Martinus, Ole and John lived on Haugseie 1865.
To send children in advance with adults was not unusual.
Gunder Gundersen was a poor leaseholder and a ticket to America cost two years of salary.
It happened often that someone who had gone before send money or paid for the ticket in advance that one had to work for when one came across.
A summary:
Gunder Gundersen Mørkhagen married 1847 Inger Jørgensdatter, 5 sons;
- Johan 1847 em. 1867?
- Gunder 1849 married Johanne Johannesdatter, a son Gunder 1882, em. from Skansen (Mørkhagen) changed to Hagen (em. from Oslo) with the parents in 1883, dest Evansville
- Martinus 1852 em 1867?
- John 1854, married Matea Syversdatter, a daughter Inger 1882, em. from Skansen (Mørkhagen)1883 with the parents, dest Evansville, ship Rollo, all 8 recorded 1882, see #224-225-226-227-228-229, 234&235
- Ole 1858, em 1882 from Haug, rec. as Ole Gundersen Haug in Oslo, dest Evansville, #146.
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 13/02/2012 : 15:42:23
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[Kåre
Do you see a record of Martinus and Johan's immigration in the ship's logs anywhere?
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/02/2012 : 17:58:28
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Em. from Elverum was dated April 4. 1867.
Dep. port was most liklely Christiania/Oslo.
Or a nearby town (less likely) as;
Fredrikstad, Porsgrund, Skien or Drammen.
If they are not in the passenger lists from 1867 one option is the method of elimination since not all ships has passenger lists.
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