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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 14/10/2011 : 18:39:46
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Hi Lauren,
Thanks for thanks. But I think you should gather as much information as you can from any existing church registers from the Romsdal church. If you go to www.elca.org and find the contact address for the historian (Joel Thoreson) he will be able to tell you if the registers were microfilmed in the 1970s and if available to loan to you. The films are a bit spendy ($15/ month + postage) but research in them might bring more information about Engebor and the other children and even your grandfather's baptism, to confirm the findings here.
Good luck!
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/10/2011 : 18:56:55
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World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Hans Kloppen, Lincoln, South Dakota.
Birth Date: 23 May 1875
Jackie's record from Lesjaskog in Lesja, Oppland, Parish register
Hans Knutsen
Birth Date: 26 May 1874
Parents Knud Syversen Kvam & Innbjørg Hansdtr
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/10/2011 : 19:09:14
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One of the few records where Knud Kloppen's patronymic are given:
South Dakota State Census, 1905
K S Kloppen
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: 1842
Gender: Male
Race: W
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Widowed
Residence: South Dakota, United States
Years in State: 23
Estimated Arrival Year in State: 1882
Years in United States: 23
Estimated Arrival Year in the United States: 1882
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LaurenWahl
Starting member
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Posted - 15/10/2011 : 19:20:42
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Thank you so much. This will help enormously.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/10/2011 : 19:42:34
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I think you can be quite sure that it's the right family.
Looking at the graves at the Old Romsdal cemetery in Lincoln, SD, the Kloppen graves are next to each other:
Kloppen, Syvert, no dates, grv. 40
Kloppen, Engeborg, d. 1897, grv. 41
Kloppen, Marie, no dates, grv. 42
Kloppen, Marie, no dates, grv. 43
Knud Kloppen is a widower in 1900, and Engeborg Kloppen d. 1897.
And when you see that the emigration record include a mother Ingeborg, a father Knut, and children Marie, Sivert, Anna and Hans, you can't get a better match.
I'm wondering what clue sent you to Lesja in Oppland, Jackie? 
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LaurenWahl
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Posted - 15/10/2011 : 19:45:31
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Hi Jan,
Yes, Jackie told me about Lesja, Oppland. How did you become so knowledgeable about genealogical research?
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/10/2011 : 19:55:25
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There must be more than just luck that send you to Lesja Jackie 
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 00:13:02
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Hi.
I wonder where the origin of Kloppen comes from and why Knud Sivertsen used Kloppen as lastname in America since the family emigrated from Holen in Lesja?
Searcing for Kloppen and Lesja I ends up in Dovre
I also believe that Knud Hansen Kloppen d. 1790 (page 1) died in Dovre.
Dovre was a former subparish in Lesja parish and became an independant parish/municipality in the 1860s.
This familytree confirms that Kloppen was a subfarm under Tofte in Dovre.
The Sivert/Syvert name seems to appears often in this family.
Also other info confirms that Kloppen was a subfarm under Tofte.
I have not searched for a connection between your family and the Kloppen farm in Dovre.
Tofte is one of the oldest farms in this area, 1516 mentioned as "Kongsgården på Dovre" Royal farm on Dovre, three photos to enlarge in right column.
Tofte was visited by Harald Hårfagre.
Some of the buildings are from 1683.
A book by Gunnar Bjerke about the farm Tofte on 142 pages was published 1974. The subfarms including Kloppen are probably mentioned there.
Kåre
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jwiborg
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 00:33:54
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Knut used the farmname Holen when leaving Bergen.
Emigration from Bergen on 11 Jul 1882:
Knut Syversen Holen, 1843, 39, Lesje
Ingeborg Hansdatr, 1848, 34, Lesje
Marie Knutsdatr, 1873, 9, Lesje
Hans Knutsen, 1874, 8, Lesje
Syver Knutsen, 1876, 6, Lesje
Anna Knutsdatr, 1879, 3, Lesje
Looks like the women changed their lastname during the Atlantic transfer... 
The women are listed with lastname Kloppin upon arrival Philadelphia:
Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
Arriving 01 AUG 1882
Ship: S/S British Queen
K Syvertson, 1842
Ing H Kloppin, 1847
Marie K Kloppin, 1873
Hans Syversten, 1874
L Syversten, 1876
Annie Kloppin, 1879
Could Kloppen be the home farm of wife Ingeborg Hansdatter?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 01:31:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
There must be more than just luck that send you to Lesja Jackie
Hi Kåre,
Since you asked, it wasn't luck, it was good basic research.
Since the rare name "Kloppen" didn't seem to go anywhere for an answer, I looked at other stuff.
I knew from the declaration of intention papers in South Dakota that Knut's patronym was Syversen and from Lauren's mention of his birth month and year from the 1900 census that he was born Dec 1842. Lauren mentioned the migration years were variable between 1880ish-1885ish.
Looking at the 1865 census transcriptions for any whose name began with "knu" and whose last name contains "ver" (these two filters cover most of the spellings of Knut and Syverson" and whose birth year was 1842 +/-1 year, brought me 5 men.
The first 2 found in Hallingdal parishes, I dispensed with quickly as not possible and of the remaining 3, the Knudt on Lien sondre in Lesja seemed most promising.
Finding a family is easier than finding an individual, so I went to the online parish registers for utflyttes from Lesja covering 1880-1885 and found them. (If I hadn't found the family, I would have been forced to find Knut's baptismal & confirmation hoping for a connection to the Kloppen name--a tough row to hoe, it now appears, since the connection may have come from his wife's family or if it was his family 1-2 generations back--Eek!)
The Kloppen clue would have taken a lot more search to prove out--sometimes the most obvious is the most obscure.
It would be interesting to find if Ingeborg had the Kloppen connection....
Jackie M.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 02:49:24
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There was a farm called Kloppan under Einbu in Lesja, mentioned on page 203 in Lesja Bygdebok.
The location should be pretty close to the local Bjorli Airport.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 10:48:47
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Since you asked, it wasn't luck, it was good basic research.
Looking at the 1865 census transcriptions for any whose name began with "knu" and whose last name contains "ver" (these two filters cover most of the spellings of Knut and Syverson" and whose birth year was 1842 +/-1 year, brought me 5 men
I knew it was good research
I often use same method in the beginning Jackie, starting with one or two letters.
If it was his fathers ancestors that came from Kloppen it must be far back, perhaps mid. 1700s, but all options are not tried.
Perhaps later today.
And a new Kloppen appeared as a subfarm under Einbu.
The mother Ingebjørg Hansdatter´s was from Leren (Leiren).
Parents Hans Hansen and Anne Erlandsdatter married in Lesja church April 15. 1830.
Hans was from Leren and Anne from Tøndevoldshagen, see bottom left page, #15
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 17:54:10
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
There was a farm called Kloppan under Einbu in Lesja, mentioned on page 203 in Lesja Bygdebok.
The location should be pretty close to the local Bjorli Airport.
Jan Peter
Could Einbu be the modern spelling of Enebo / Eneboe?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 18:09:36
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Yes, the farm is spelled Eneboe in 1865.
I believe Kloppan was under Einbu nordre (farmnumber 4 in Lesja)
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/10/2011 : 18:28:16
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Hi,
It would make sense then, since other folks in the Old Romsdal cemetery were named Enebo. And Nordmændene has this story, page 598:
"Enebo, Peter J., udv. fra Lesjeskogen, Gubr., 1868; var blandt de første norsk Settlere ved Canton, S.Dak. 1870...."
The Kloppens may have travelled to a place where they knew folks from home.
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