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LaurenWahl
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 Posted - 17/10/2011 : 18:55:48
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My family possesses a silver and gold cup with the names of the eldest sons in succession going back to before 1703. It measures about 2 1/2 inches in diameter and 2 inches in height. The full names and dates engraved are:
RISS - 1703
Iver Mikkelsen - 1745
Mikkel Iversen - 1787
Iver Mikkelsen Wahl - 1829
Mikel Iversen Wahl - 1858
Iver Mikkelsen Wahl - 1886
Palmer Mikal Wahl - 1921
Michael Palmer Wahl - 1946
There are also initials of several people without dates, which precede 1703.
My family would like to discover if this cup had any purpose other than preserving family names. Was it the custom during the 16th or 17th centuries (the time it was probably created) to give a son such a cup at baptism? We have been told that it may be a baptismal cup, but we have never been able to confirm this. If you know anything about such artifacts, please let me know.
The Wahl family lived at Storval Farm in Namdelan for at least a few centuries and may still be there. I have already traced the genealogy of the Wahl family going back to the late 18th century. I'm mostly curious about the heirloom cup.
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Lauren Wahl |
Edited by - LaurenWahl on 17/10/2011 19:00:07 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/10/2011 : 23:52:29
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Hi Lauren,
Just curious, are there any hallmarks on the cup, like on the bottom? If it's silver there should / could be as many as 5 hallmarks which might be used to identify the town where it was made, the initials of the smith, the year the item was made etc.
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LaurenWahl
Starting member
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Posted - 17/10/2011 : 23:55:34
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Hi Jackie,
Unfortunately my elder brother, whose name is engraved on it, has the cup in his possession in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and I live in Southern California, so I can't check unless I can get him to take it out of the vault and look. Thank you for your interest.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 08:41:04
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Hi.
It looks like heirlooms or a christening gift, where the oldest son (heir) is recorded in generation after generation.
Riss 1703 make no sence. A signature?
First I thought perhaps it was a shortening for Rissa, a municipality in the same County, seems unlikely.
Did Iver Mikkelsen Wahl 1886 or his father Mikkel Iversen Wahl 1858 em. to America and brought it with him?
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 09:08:19
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Rissa is not in the same county. 
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 09:35:14
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I know Jan Peter
Only same County.
Another possibility is that it´s made in America, a familytree?
Can you see if the engraving is done by the same person if there is a handwriting?
A curiosity;
This must be Iver Mikkelsen Storval 1829´s son Mekal (Mikkel-Michael) I. (Iversen) Vahl b. 1858 on Vahl store, Storval, in 1910, married to Hanna and 4 children.
Trygve Mekalsen Wahl, farmworker, b. 1892 em. to Ontario, Canada 1912.
Ticket paid for in America.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 18/10/2011 10:06:08 |
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LaurenWahl
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 16:17:05
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RIIS are the initials of the person who received it in 1703. The engravings are diverse and become worn as they go back through the centuries. Jan, yes, this is Iver Mikkelson Storval 1829's son Medal Iversen Vahl b. 1858. I am interested in your spelling "Vahl" with a V instead of with a W as my family does now. Hanna was my great grandmother and her full name, I believe was Hanna Margrethe Hansdatter 1863-1947. My aunt Lucy Ferguson Wahl extensively researched the Wahl and Hansen branches of my family and I have about 4000 names, most with dates, if anyone else is interested in the Wahl/Vahl family.
Iver Mikkelsen Wahl 1886 did emigrate from Norway to America and did bring it with him.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 16:49:48
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Hi.
just a thought, many if´s, probably wrong, but perhaps the first owner had the initials RISS, and that IS stand for IversSĝn - IverSen ?
Spelled IverS in the church book.
Or IverSSen?
Still an R missing; Firstname or title?
The pronuncation of V and W is the same.
W is an older spelling, some keep it, both as a familyname are correct today.
W
A (long A as in bar)
H (dumb H)
L (thin L as in Least) or perhaps a thick L, lost of dialects in Norway;
Wahl is pronounced Wal-Val.
With a loudspeaker you can pratice here, qiute different from the English alphabet.
Good luck.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 18/10/2011 19:14:16 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 20:09:04
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Iver Mikkelson Storval 1829's son Medal Iversen Vahl b. 1858
- from the church book Iver Andreas Michelsen, Storvahl, born May 12 1829, see #10 and his son Michael Iversen, Storvahl, born Oct 30 1858, see #1.
Iver Andreas Michelsens parents, Michel Iversen, Storvahl and Anne Chirstine Ananiasdatter, Stordahl, were married Nov 1 1822, see #6. Michel Iversen was then a widower.
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Edited by - eibache on 18/10/2011 21:33:34 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 20:17:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Kċarto
Hi.
just a thought, many if´s, probably wrong, but perhaps the first owner had the initials RISS, and that IS stand for IversSĝn - IverSen ?
Spelled IverS in the church book.
Or IverSSen?
Still an R missing; Firstname or title?
Kċre
Wouldn't the first initial be an M rather than an R, since the first full name is Iver Mikkelson....?
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Kċarto
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 21:20:55
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Yes.
It was just a thought. Keeping all options open.
M If it was his father Mikkel, yes.
I was thinking of a title, profession etc.
Perhaps a grandfather since we do not know what 1703 stands for.
Nĉrĝy Bygdebook, 6 volumes, the answer is perhaps there.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 21:27:15
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Michel Iversen (1787) came from Skillingstad (Schelingstad) when he married widow Maria Storval on July 28 1815, see next to the last record on right page.
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Edited by - eibache on 18/10/2011 21:36:17 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/10/2011 : 22:47:19
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RIIS  , thought it was RISS, sorry, I didn´t read your correction.
R Iver IverS(sen)
R Iver Iversen Storval.
R
I looked into the name to see if anything of interest came up. It didn´t.
Various spellings for Storval; Val store, Store vale, Ual, Storeual 1599, Storuoll 1590, Store-wahl 1669, Storvall, Storvall 1723.
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 18/10/2011 22:56:14 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Lislcat
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Posted - 19/10/2011 : 05:27:58
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So the RISS could stand for the father of Iver Mikkelsen? Any leads on that name?
Also, wanted to mention that my grandparents called me Vanda. :-)
Good luck, Wanda |
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LaurenWahl
Starting member
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Posted - 31/10/2011 : 02:38:23
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Many thanks to all who responded to my topic. All of you have helped enormously.
Lauren |
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Heirloom of Wahl Family of South Dakota
