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kariellen
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 Posted - 31/01/2012 : 15:20:24
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| After checking all the Karl Nilsens leaving Norway, using the birthyear and residence, I still found nothing near obvious. Maybe he was one on the thousands of sailors who jumped ship abroad. I'll let this search rest for a while. Thank you very much for the help! |
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kariellen
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Posted - 07/02/2013 : 18:34:40
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Since the last post I have found the right Karl Nikolai Nilsen, marriage no. 8 here
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2216&idx_id=2216&uid=ny&idx_side=-45
he got married to Albertine Andersen 6. july 1900 in the Norwegian Seamansmission in New York.
Could this information help someone help me find more information on Karl after his marriage? Or about his wife Albertine?
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jkmarler
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kariellen
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Posted - 07/02/2013 : 20:01:47
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He was born 1863 , in Glemmen, neighbouring parish to Fredrikstad, these two facts are not the same as in the marriage record. He did however get confirmated in Onsø, and his father's name was Nils Peter Hansen, Seaman. The family knows Karl too was a seaman and that he lived in USA. Despite the differences I am quite sure this must be the right man.
Both the witnesses were Albertine's brothers, she was actually born in Trøgstad, Østfold, it says she was confirmated in Ø. Fredrikstad, I have not yet found her there.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/02/2013 : 20:12:01
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New York is heavily populated. From the Italian Genealogical Group website New York Deaths index there is this possible:
Surname Given Name Age Month Day Year Certificate
Number County Soundex
Nielsen Karl N 42 y Jan 5 1907 714 Kings N425
Not sure if he's your guy or not. There are also deaths in the Seaman's church registers at digitalarkvet. |
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kariellen
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Posted - 07/02/2013 : 21:10:53
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Thank you. I found none in the Seamans Church.
I'll have to keep looking!
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/02/2013 : 03:07:54
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I think this may be Albertine from the 1900 census couple in 1910, widowed, living with her daughter, son-in-law and grandson:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M57G-Y7B
Here Albertine is in the 1930 census but living with her daughter, grandsons and sister and nephew, apparently married again and widowed again:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4JS-N7Y
head Matilda Anderson F 65 Norway
son Elmer Smeby M 39 Norway
niece Nancy Fernstrom F 39 Norway
grandnephew Wallace Fernstrom M 20 Norway
grandnephew Gilbert Fernstrom M 12 New York
sister Albertina Gibbons F 63 Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1930," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4JS-N7Y : accessed 09 Feb 2013), Nancy Fernstrom in household of Matilda Anderson, Brooklyn (Districts 1001-1250), Kings, New York; citing enumeration district (ED) 1145, sheet 4B, family 79, NARA microfilm publication T626, roll 1509[/
I think this is Mathilde and her family in 1900 in Norway, Johan Almer Smeby probably = Elmer Smeby, Mathilde is born in Fredrikstad:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=f00301&gardpostnr=3675&personpostnr=94696&merk=94696#ovre
Here is Antonette Mathilde Smeby and 3 children leaving through Oslo for New York in October 1904 on Hellig Olav:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=248324&merk=248324#ovre
Unfortunately, there is no passenger list at Ellis Island for the October 1904 run of Hellig Olav. But the other son Johan also came in 1904. Here he is leaving Oslo also on Hellig Olav and
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=10&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=154456&merk=154456#ovre
his arrival in New York is recorded and he is going to his uncle Axel Anderson.
Here is a household in 1865 headed by Andreas Jenson which also contains a son named Carl O. and a daughter named Antonette:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f60103&gardpostnr=200&personpostnr=3020&merk=3020#ovre |
Edited by - jkmarler on 09/02/2013 03:59:08 |
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kariellen
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Posted - 09/02/2013 : 13:00:37
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Thank you Jackie, it's amazing what a fresh pair of eyes can find.
The Anders Jensen family in 1865 is the family of Albertine Josefine Andersen. Albertine born 23. Jan. 1867, no. 5 here:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=377&idx_id=377&uid=ny&idx_side=-78
She is most likely the Albertine marrying my grand uncle Karl.
I have looked at the couple in the 1900 census, with Nancy Syverson before, but though I found that this census was taken slightly before they married. Everything else seems right though.
I have to find the birth of Nancy, Karl is not her father, as she is called Syverson.
The connection to sister Mathilde also seems to add up, but I will have to find her marriage in Norway to be certain.
Karl Nikolai would have died between 1905 and 1910 then, so the one you found dead in 1907 could well be him. It will probably be impossible to prove though. The notes from my now dead aunt said about Karl that he died in the 1920's, and that they were waiting to inherit him in Norway (could be a joke).
I have also looked at Albertine Jensen leaving for USA, I will have to see if I can find her arrival.
Thank you again!
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/02/2013 : 16:06:13
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There a few databases which might help you as you consider more facts for Karl Nicolai Nilsen. The first might be that he is could also be known as Charles Nelson.
The Italian Genealogical Group has New York vital records and some naturalization records at their site:
http://www.italiangen.org/
There is a New York Kings County Estate Files 1866-1923 which is searchable at www.familysearch.org. You may want to compare some of the Charles Nelsons you generate from the records at Italiangen with those in the estate file. By comparing information in the 2 you might be more satisfied that the 1907 guy is the right one. You might consider purchasing the death certificates of those who are left--italiangen provides contact info to do that.
If the family tale is fairly certain that your Karl died in the 1920s you may still want to look for him in 1910, 1915, 1920, 1925 censuses. Albertine being a widow for all those years may have found it more socially acceptable than being a divorced woman.
Then there are some wonderful newspaper sites for New York City these days. The chronicling America site has papers up to 1922 and you may get lucky. The Brooklyn Daily Eagle has a database of papers from 1841-1902 and the New York Times archive database covers 1851-1980.
And an Albertina Nilsen Gibbons is in the findagrave database.
Perhaps Karl is buried in the same cemetery?
www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=gibbons&GSfn=albertina&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=101764298&df=all&" target="_blank">http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=gibbons&GSfn=albertina&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=101764298&df=all&
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