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ellenand
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 Posted - 23/02/2012 : 11:04:24
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I am looking to trace information on my Norwegian Great Grandfather. This is all the information I have:
Name- Jon Poulsen
He was in Leith, Edinburgh around 1917
He is noted on my Grandfather's birth certificate as his father but I have no other information. My Grandfather never knew his father and the rest is a mystery. Is it possible to search seaman records?
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Hopkins
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David Yaw
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/02/2012 : 15:19:56
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| There is no record of a Jon Poulsen in the 1911 census for England & Wales - but obviously this does not cover Scotland. I checked out the National Archives website for merchant seamen awarded medals in WW1 using a variety of Poulsen spellings. Several Scandinavians listed - nothing for Jon Poulsen, but there is a medal awarded to Alexander Paulsen, b Leith 1900. Could it be a relative perhaps ?? Maybe someone with access to the Scotlands People site could check out Jon Poulsen too. |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 23/02/2012 : 15:44:17
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Since his name was written Jon I think perhaps it was not changed from Johan, John, Johannes etc in Scotland.
Perhaps Jon became John later, then he didn´s have to spell the name when he was asked.
I have three candidates, but of great importance;
You don´t have any idea when ca Jon was born?
A death record could tell how old he was?
Jon Paulsen on farm Krogslien, Tynset municipality, Hedmark County b. 1888
Jon Paulsen on farm Gubberud, Stange municipality, Hedmark County, b. 1890.
Jon Poulsen on farm Vangsakeren, Tolga municipality, Hedmark County, b. 1893 (perhaps to young)
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Edited by - Kċarto on 23/02/2012 21:35:20 |
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ellenand
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 16:09:09
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Hi Kċre,
Thank you for your advice, it is very much appreciated!
Unfortunately I do not have any more information as all I know is that he was my Grandfather's father, but my family suspect that he died maybe as he mysteriously disappeared from family history but seemed important enough for my Great-Grandmother to name her son after him.
Do you think there is a way of checking death records for Jon Poulsen (farm Vangsakeren, Tolga municipality, Hedmark County, b. 1893?)
He would have been 24 in 1917, my Great-Grandmother was 19 when she gave birth to my Grandfather so this could be a match.
Thank you
Ellen Anderson
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[quote][i]Originally posted by Kċarto
Since his name was written Jon I think perhaps it was not changed from Johan, John, Johannes etc in Scotland.
Perhaps Jon became John later, then he didn´s have to spell the name when he was asked.
I have three candidates, but of great importance;
You don´t have any idea when ca Jon was born?
A death record could tell how old he was?
Jon Paulsen on farm Krogslien, Tynset municipality, Hedmark County b. 1888
Jon Paulsen on farm Gubberud, Stange municipality, Hedmark County, b. 1890.
Jon Poulsen on farm Vangsakeren, Tolga municipality, Hedmark County, b. 1893 (perhaps to young)
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Kċarto
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 00:24:32
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Hi.
The family from Vangsakeren and Florhaug, Tolga, em. to Minnesota 1904, link.
No info on what happened to Jon Poulsen Florhaug/Vangsakeren b. 1893 (b. 1896 as info tells here is not correct, it was his brother Peder)
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/03/2012 : 06:08:08
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John Florhaug was KIA in the U.S. Army during WWI:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21052-30547-42?cc=1916249
From the Official Roster of North Dakota Soldiers, Sailors and Marines, Volume 2, page 940:
"Florhaug, John Army number 111,873; registrant Foster county; born, Nordre Osterdal, Norway Aug.6, 1893; naturalized citizen; occupation: farmer; enlisted in Company H, 2nd Infantry, North Dakota National Guard at Harvey on July 20, 1917; (Company C, 147th Machine Gun Battalion) to June 11, 1918; Machine Gun Company, 28th Infantry to death; overseas from Dec. 13, 1917 to death; wounded slightly Aug 21, 1918; Engagements: Offensives: Aisne-Marne; St. Mihiel;Meuse-Argonne; Defensive: Montdidier-Noyon. Defensive Sectors: Cantigny (Picardy) ; Saiszerais and Ansauville (Lorraine); Killed in action at Meuse-Argonne Oct 4, 1918; buried in France; remains returned to U.S. on Oct 10, 1921 and buried at Kensal, N.Dak."
There is a book in Googlebooks about the North Dakota National Guard. Title is Citizens as Soldiers: A History of the North Dakota National Guard by Jerry Cooper with Glenn Smith, pub 1986 ND Institute for Regional Studies, Fargo N.D.
2005 Nebraska paperback. In the chapter dealing with WWI it contains mentions of John Florhaug's units, including departure from US and landing dates in Europe. The earliest I saw was arrival in Liverpool on 24 Dec 1917 with the last departure from US occurring on 11 Jan 1918 --lateness due to outbreak of measles in camp.
If you think John Florhaug is still a viable candidate you may want to read the text yourself.
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 25/05/2015 : 20:49:06
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| Ellen, my husband's great uncle was John (Jon) Paulsen Florhaug/Vangsakeren who was born 6 Aug 1893 in Vingelen, Norway. He immigrated to the U.S. in 1904 with his parents and siblings. John entered into the military 5 Jun 1917 and was killed in action 4 Oct 1918 in France during the Meuse-Argonne Offensive which was the greatest American battle of World War I. If you think that this John Paulsen Florhaug might be the person you are looking for, I would be interested in hearing from you. |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 26/05/2015 : 19:29:43
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Ellen, my husband's great uncle was John (Jon) Paulsen Florhaug/Vangsakeren who was born 6 Aug 1893 in Vingelen, Norway. He immigrated to the U.S. in 1904 with his parents and siblings. John entered into the military 5 Jun 1917 and was killed in action 4 Oct 1918 in France during the Meuse-Argonne Offensive which was the greatest American battle of World War I. If you think that this John Paulsen Florhaug might be the person you are looking for, I would be interested in hearing from you.
Hi.
You can contact Ellen by clicking on here name and post a message.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/05/2015 : 19:48:23
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| Unless the site has changed its specs, a brand new poster is not allowed to access the email service. I did send one to the original poster to inform them if they are still listening that there has been a reply. |
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 26/05/2015 : 20:58:26
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| Thank you both for continuing to monitor this thread & trying to help me. I did first try to email Ellen privately, but you're right - I was too new a poster. So just had to hope she was still subscribed. Now I have an even better chance for contact. Your efforts are much appreciated! |
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ellenand
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Posted - 26/05/2015 : 22:48:08
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Hi JeanFlor,
Thanks for your message. The dates sound possible, but his last name was Poulsen not Paulsen. So I am not sure if it is the right person. Unless there is an alternative spelling? Also, he would have had to have visited Edinburgh, Scotland. Do you know if there are any log/records?
Thank you so much for your help.
Ellen
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Originally posted by JeanFlor
Thank you both for continuing to monitor this thread & trying to help me. I did first try to email Ellen privately, but you're right - I was too new a poster. So just had to hope she was still subscribed. Now I have an even better chance for contact. Your efforts are much appreciated!
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Kċarto
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Posted - 26/05/2015 : 23:04:18
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Paul, Paal, Pċl, Povel, Poul, many variations of the same name.
Paulsen or Poulsen, both names can be the same person.
There were no rules for how a name was spelled in Norway.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 26/05/2015 : 23:29:41
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Originally posted by JeanFlor
Ellen, my husband's great uncle was John (Jon) Paulsen Florhaug/Vangsakeren who was born 6 Aug 1893 in Vingelen, Norway. He immigrated to the U.S. in 1904 with his parents and siblings. John entered into the military 5 Jun 1917 and was killed in action 4 Oct 1918 in France during the Meuse-Argonne Offensive which was the greatest American battle of World War I. If you think that this John Paulsen Florhaug might be the person you are looking for, I would be interested in hearing from you.
Here is Vingelen sub parish in Tolga 1893;
Born August 6. Jon Poulsen. Parents; "Tjener" Servant Poul Poulsen Florhaug and Ingeborg Jensdatter, see #6
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 26/05/2015 : 23:43:56
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Hi Ellen,
Is the birth certificate handwritten - where an "o" could have been mistaken for an "a" - or as a person who has worked on genealogy for decades, I believe it is possible that if someone other than Jon himself wrote on the birth certificate, they could have unintentionally misspelled it. I'm sure Jon would have still had his accent. So what I'm saying, that although it is a long shot he is your great grandfather, I don't believe the difference in spelling rules it out.
I am especially interested in Kċre's original post where she listed - "Jon Poulsen on farm Vangsakeren, Tolga municipality, Hedmark County, b. 1893 (perhaps to young)" - this is definitely my husband's great uncle. His parents built the farm Vangsakeren. I'm wondering where she/he got that spelling - from a Census record? Of was she/he just using your spelling? Kċre, can you help here? Maybe there were two spellings?
Ellen, you say that your great grandfather was Norwegian. I'm wondering if the people on this forum have ever seen the name Poul as a first name in Norway (which is where he would have gotten the last name Poulsen...son of Poul)? I haven't, but it may be possible. Also, do you have his signature on anything, Ellen - or information you haven't shared on this forum? No need to discuss it fully here. We can go private - I just wanted to see what the forum members had to say first.
There is a book mentioned by jkmarler above that includes Jon's unit departure from the U.S. and landing dates in Europe. Apparently his unit first arrived in Liverpool on 24 Dec 1917 (family members might also know something). I'll get ahold of this book if there is enough information to proceed. jkmarler lives fairly close to me and is a family historian, so maybe she can help if I have problems. :-) I'm just wondering if your grandfather's birth date makes it possible that this is the person you are looking for? Thanks for the reply - and greetings from the U.S..
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Kċarto
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Posted - 26/05/2015 : 23:57:40
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Em. to Amerika from Tolga, down right page, November 1904 #1-2-3-4.
"Gardbrukerkone" Farmers wife Ingeborg Jensdatter Florhaug, Vangsaker and 3 children; Jon Paulsen Florhaug 1893, Peder Paulsen Florhaug 1896 and Marit Paulsdatter Florhaug 1900.
The father Paul Paulsen/Poul Poulsen must have left earlier or was coming later
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Norwegian Merchant Navy Seaman records pre 1920
