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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 07/03/2012 : 05:04:10
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Well, to answer the question, Ole is #67:
Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Sogndal, Ministerialbok nr. A 11 (1839-1847), Fĝdte og dĝpte 1846, side 89.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11661&idx_id=11661&uid=ny&idx_side=-92
And here is coming to America in 1854 #11:
Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Sogndal, Ministerialbok nr. A 12II (1847-1877), Utflyttede 1854, side 342.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8413&idx_id=8413&uid=ny&idx_side=-105
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 09:49:28
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Ole #67 was born out of wedloc June 20. 1846 to maid Gunild Olsdatter Midthun and bachelor Anders Sjursen Hundere.
"Begge fĝrste Leirmaal" For both parents it was their first child born out of wedloc
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 10:23:18
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Anders Sjurson is in the same Volume as arriving on the Juno in New York on 18 June 1846, 52 days out from Bergen. In the text on Anders it says, he and his family moved from Mt. Morris, Waushara Co, Wisc. in 1863 to Goodhue county, Minnesota. He died 17 Sept 1894 and both he and his wife are buried at Lands Lutheran in Goodhue county. They had 11 children. One of the sources is George Flom History of Norwegian Immigration to America, 1909. Flom's history is, I think, in Googlebooks and you might also look in www,dalbydata.com
Anders Sjursen Hundere b. April 29. 1817 and a brother Jens b. Sept. 9. 1824 (parente Sjur Johannesen Hundere and Kari Andersdatter) both em. 1846, rec. March 29, see right page #48&49
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Edited by - Kċarto on 07/03/2012 10:29:54 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 14:17:56
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Hi.
The Norweegian naming practices can be difficult and confusing to understand.
Sjur and Sivert is the same, varying spelling, Sjur was often used in Western Norway.
Two examples;
- Sjur (Sivert) Johannesen´s son´s lastname will be Sjursen (Sivertsen) and his daughter will be Sjursdatter (Sivertsdatter)
- Anders Sjursen´s (Sivertsen´s) son´s lastname will be Andersen and his daughter will be Andersdatter.
When you have read threw a few times you will understand.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 14:37:59
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Anders Sjursen Hundere b. April 29. 1817 and a brother Jens b. Sept. 9. 1824 (parente Sjur Johannesen Hundere and Kari Andersdatter) both em. 1846, rec. March 29, see right page #48&49
Kċre
According to Naeseth's Volume II on the Juno 1846 was also another brother of Anders--Johannes Sjursen b 6 Oct 1811, Johannes' wife and 3 children.
It seems a bit scary that an 8 year old child was to be sent to America on his own. I wonder if there is an aunt or uncle among the group in 1854?
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 15:15:00
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Ole #11 traveled in a group of 25 persons so that was no problem, I have seen this before, and his father was in America.
Perhaps his mother Gunhild Olsdatter Midthun was dead, can´t find her in the 1865 census.
Perhaps he traveled with the couple #7-10 Aadne Olsen and Kari Larsdatter with two sons Ole and Lars.
Johannes was the 1. born of the Hundere brothers named after his fathers father Johannes Hundere.
Anders and Johannes Sjursen´s (Sivertsen´s) parents married Oct. 19.1809.
Octobr. 19. Siur Johannesen Hundere, Soldier and Bachelor and maid Kari Andersdatter Hundere, see on top left page here.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 19:39:32
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Ole #11 traveled in a group of 25 persons so that was no problem, I have seen this before, and his father was in America.
Kċre
Ole's aunt Dorotea Sjursdatter Hundere (25) is on the ship.
Mette Dorotea Sjursdatter
Born 19 Sep 1827
Parents: Sjur Johannessen Hundere & Kari Andersdatter
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SandraSeverson
Senior member
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 19:50:54
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Census-1860 for Mount Morris, Waushara, Wisconsin
Ola Severson 14
Okay, who is this Ole Severson? Where / when was he born?
Trouble is, if he was actually born in 1846 to Marith Ellingsdtr in America, it would be physically impossible for him to be the son of Anders Sjurson, who was on the ocean for 52 days before landing at New York on 18 June 1846.
Likewise, if this Ole was born in June 1846 in Norway to Anders Sjurson, it means his mother is someone other than Marith Ellingsdtr since she came US in 1844.
What does the poster know about Ole Andrew Severson?
I just looked through about 200 or so Ole Severson from the 1900 US Federal census at familysearch.org and this one is the only one listed as born June 1846. However, another possible interpretation of the last name is Swenson. Take a look at the actual schedule not just the index to it line 39:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11594-186719-24?cc=1325221
Is this the Ole Andrew Severson you are looking for? It says he came in 1854 from Norway.
This is the correct Ole Severson in 1900 census. This is all very confusing and I don't want to put the wrong information in the family tree.
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 19:56:02
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Originally posted by jwiborg
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Ole #11 traveled in a group of 25 persons so that was no problem, I have seen this before, and his father was in America.
Kċre
Ole's aunt Dorotea Sjursdatter Hundere (25) is on the ship.
Mette Dorotea Sjursdatter
Born 19 Sep 1827
Parents: Sjur Johannessen Hundere & Kari Andersdatter
Jan Peter
So Ole Andrew came to America abt 1854 and his father Anders Sjurson Hundere was already here and married Marta Ellingdatter Fladland in Dane County, WI in 1847. I hope I have this right. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 20:30:21
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Yes, this is your Ole:
Ole Andersen, born 20 JUN 1846. Parents: Anders Sjursen Hundere & Gunhild Olsdatter Midtun (not married)
Ole Andersen Hundere (8) emigrated 28 MAR 1854 together with aunt Mette Dorotea Sjursdatter Hundere (25). She was the sister of Anders Sjursen Hundere.
Anders Sjursen Hundere (29) emigrated on 28 MAR 1846, and married Martha Ellingsdatter Fladland in Wis. She had emigrated to years earlier.
Martha Ellingsdatter Fladland (14) emigrated with her parents and siblings on 01 APR 1844.
BUT: He does not have a middle name of Andrew. He was the son of Anders, so he used a lastname of Andersen when he emigrated. It seems like he took his fathers lastname of Severson when coming to America.
Jan Peter
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 20:55:14
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/03/2012 : 21:18:58
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Names were often Americanized, some behind recognition, but most kept the initials or changed last name after the farm they came from.
Anders or Andreas were often changed to Andrew .
Source; Boka om Land in Oppland County published 1948 page 266 where the main source are Norwegian Americans.
Sjursen was changed Severson in the US.
Just a thought.
He em. as Ole Andersen Hundere, father was Anders Sjursen Hundere.
Perhaps Ole changed Anders to Andrew?
Ole Andersen - Ole A Sjursen - Ole Andrew Severson.
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SandraSeverson
Senior member
USA
267 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2012 : 18:50:59
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| Thanks to everyone who has helped with information on this family search. |
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SandraSeverson
Senior member
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267 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2012 : 22:14:41
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| Have a correction to make. A previous post of mine said there was a person on the 1860 census for Mt. Morris, Waushara, Wisconsin by the name of Inger Jens Stoler. My error. The name is Inga Jen Stoler, born abt. 1798 somewhere in Norway. Any ideas on how to identify this person living in the house with Andrew Severson and his family? Does not appear to be a relative. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/03/2012 : 01:10:22
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Well you know that she was with the family in the 1860 US Census. However she was not with the family in the 1875 Minnesota State and Territorial Census for 1875.
Here is the record for the head of the family. The rest of the family consists of Martha and nine children, Sever, 25, Eling, 21, John 19, Christina 16, Andrew 14, James 11, Christie 9, Margarette 7, Baby 1.
No sign of Inga Jen Stoler.
Minnesota Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
Name: A Seaverson
Census Date: 1 May 1875
County: Goodhue
Locality: Minneola
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Race: White
Father's Birth Location: Norway
Mother's Birth Location: Norway
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