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BenteJS
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 Posted - 27/03/2012 : 00:25:11
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ENGLISH: I am looking for my grandmother's half brother Torleif Johannessen (censuc in 1910 he was named as Torleiv) b.11.06 1897 in Drevja / Vefsn (Vefsen). He grew up with his mother, Julianna who married Jørgen Oseng. He had little or non contact with his father, Jørgen Dass Johannessen (Changed his surname to Austerslått later on). We find no information on Torleif after his confirmation. He had several half-siblings on his mother's side. The siblings eventually took the surname Oseng, but as far as we know he used the name Johannessen. He may have emigrated, but we do not know where. He i not to be found in the Ellis Island database og the mormon database.We know that at least one brother, Fridtjov emigrated to Wisconsin. In the records from Ellis Island says that he should live with his uncle Jacob Samuel Larsen (brother of Julianna) in River Falls(went to USA in 1884), but I find no further info on either one or the other. I hope someone out there has info or at least some good tips on how I can find out more about Torleif. This is a mystery and many in the family has tried to solve, so far without success.
NORSK: Jeg leter etter min bestemors halvbror Torleif Johannessen(I FT 1910 er han navngitt som Torleiv) f.11.06 1897 i Drevja/Vefsn(Vefsen) . Han vokste opp hos sin mor Julianna som ble gift med Jørgen Oseng, faren Jørgen Dass Johannessen(Tok senere etternavnet Austerslått) hadde han ingen eller lite kontakt med. Vi finner ingen informasjon om Torleif etter konfirmasjonen. Han hadde flere halvsøsken på morsiden. Søsknene tok etterhvert Oseng til etternavn, men sannsynligvis beholdt han Johannessen som etternavn. Sannsynligvis utvandret han, men vi vet ikke hvor. Det skal ha kommet et brev fra han og dette var skrevet på engelsk. Vi finner han ikke i Ellis databasen eller i mormoner databasen. Vi vet at minst en bror, Fridtjov utvandret til Wisconsin. I registrene fra Ellis Island står det at han skulle bo hos sin onkel Jacob Samuel Larsen(bror av Julianna) i River Falls(utvandret i 1884), men jeg finner ingen videre info om verken den ene eller den andre senere. Håper noen der ute har info eller i det minste noen gode tips på hvordan jeg kan finne ut noe mer om Torleif. Dette er et mysterium som mange i familien har forsøkt å løse, så langt uten hell.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2012 : 03:33:14
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A candidate from the 1930 US Census. He lists his occupation as Mariner.
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Thorlof W Jorgensen
[Thorlof W Jorgenson]
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1899
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Home in 1930: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California
Marital Status: Single
Immigration Year: 1920
Relation to Head of House: Guest
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/03/2012 : 03:39:05
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Probably the same person as above, working as a sailor out of California ports. Here he lists his birthplace as Svolvar which I assume is probably Svolvær, Nordland. He is found in Ancestry.com on several other ships working in the crew. One of the ship manifests lists that he was naturalized in 1926 as a US Citizen.
California Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957
Name: Thorlof Jorgenson
Arrival Date: 2 Jul 1923
Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1899
Birthplace: Svolvar, Norway
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Scandinavian
Ship Name: Goodwill
Port of Arrival: San Pedro, California
Port of Departure: Ensenada, British Columbia
Last Residence: United States |
Edited by - AntonH on 27/03/2012 03:47:10 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2012 : 04:16:40
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Probably the same person, who died in California. Here his birth date is listed as 26 Jul 1898, which if true would probably mean that he is not the person you seek.
California Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Thorolf Ursin Jorgensen
Social Security #: 561108950
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 26 Jul 1898
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 2 Feb 1978
Death Place: Los Angeles |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2012 : 04:21:53
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There is a Family Tree on Ancestry.com containing the above Thoralf Jorgensen. Here is the information from that tree. This information would likely eliminate this person from your search.
Thoralf Johan Ursen Jorgensen
Birth 26 Jul 1898 in Svolvaer, Malselv, Tromso, Norway
Death 2 Feb 1978 in Hawaiian Gardens, Los Angeles, California, USA
In this Tree his parents are listed as
Tollef Jorgensen Haugnes and Karen Jacobsdatter Sandbakken.
Birth 22 Apr 1863 in Holmen,Malselv,Tromso,Norway
Death 2 Jan 1943 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/03/2012 : 06:01:10
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Here is Torleif's baptism #7:
Source information: Nordland county, Drevja in Vefsn, Parish register (official) nr. 821A01 (1892-1907), Birth and baptism records 1897, page 20.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=39615&idx_id=39615&uid=ny&idx_side=-22
Torleif was living with his father's parents in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f01824&gardpostnr=309&personpostnr=2503&merk=2503#ovre
Here is Torleif's confirmation #9:
Source information: Nordland county, Vefsn in Vefsn, Parish register (official) nr. 820A19 (1897-1915), Confirmation records 1912, page 72.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=39612&idx_id=39612&uid=ny&idx_side=-74
Who is the other uægte child of his mother?
Here is Torleif's father's baptism #48:
Source information: Nordland county, Vefsn m/Mosjøen, Parish register (official) nr. 820A15 (1866-1879), Birth and baptism records 1878, page 126.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2551&idx_id=2551&uid=ny&idx_side=-130
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BenteJS
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 27/03/2012 : 08:49:18
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I have searched in different registers for Torleif and have tried numerous variations of his name. Those I have found I have been able to check out. I have two pers. I didnt manage to find more information about.
1. Mr. T. Johannessen arrived in Fremantle in Australia with the ship "Borda" from London 15.feb.1929. I find no further information about this person.
2.Torleif Johannessen, who was a sailor who sailed with "Ida Knudsen 'and was torpedoed during 2.worldwar outside Morocco. He survived, but found no trace of him in warsailor register or other list over sailors.
Regarding Fritjov ,it 's correct that he left Norway in 1921, and the passenger list from Ellis Island shows that he is going to his uncle Jacob Larsen (Nr.18 in Manifest) http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipmanifest.asp?pID=100205030126&fromShip=y&letter=o&half=2&sname=Oscar*ll&year=1921&sdate=06/14/1921&port=Christiania&page=&MID=09514563890895412864&
jkmarler: I don't have any information of another illegitimate child of his mother Julianna.
Lyngdal40: The person you found is not the man I'm seeking, but thanks anyway :) |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/03/2012 : 16:55:13
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Here is a candidate for your Fridtjof P Oseng.
Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002
Name: Fred P. Osing
Birth Date: 25 Dec 1901
Death Date: 9 Aug 1971
Death County: Hennepin
Mother's Maiden Name: Larsen
State File Number: 020382
Certificate Number: 020382
Certificate Year: 1971
Record Number: 1819996 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2012 : 17:11:06
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This might be the same Fred Osing. However the immigration year is listed as 1924? Florence Koepelle is listed as sister-in-law. Since she is listed as being born in Minnesota the same as Fred's wife Anna we might be able to assume that she is a sister of Anna.
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Fred Osing
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1901
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1924
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Anna Osing
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred Osing
29
Anna Osing
23
Florence Kopelle
19 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/03/2012 : 17:35:19
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Perhaps a candidate for the wife of Fred Osing.
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Annie Swirski
[Annie Sworski]
Age in 1910: 3
Birth Year: abt 1907
Birthplace: Minnesota
Home in 1910: Hale, McLeod, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: George Kapela
Father's Birthplace: Minnesota
Mother's Name: Francis Kapela
Mother's Birthplace: Minnesota
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
George Kapela
24
Francis Kapela
24
Annie Swirski
3
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 27/03/2012 : 17:39:36
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Probably the same family. No young Anna here but there is a Florence. Wife's name is actually Ellen.
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: George Kapels
[Geroge Kapels]
[George Kapela]
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Minnesota
Home in 1920: Maywood, Benton, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Allen Kapels
Father's Name: Andrew Kapels
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Name: Anna Kapels
Mother's Birthplace: Poland
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
George Kapels
33
Allen Kapels
28
Florence Kapels
9
Charles Kapels
6
Andrew Kapels
71
Anna Kapels |
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BenteJS
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 27/03/2012 : 19:29:14
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I realize I'm just a newbe in this game :) I did not know abot sister Borghild, but the fact that she went to US opens for new opportunities to look elsewhere in US for Torleif.
I think you are right about Fred Osing being Fridtjov, birth date and mothers last name are correct. He may have children who is still alive that have som info of Torleif, will keep on looking. Thanks for good help :) |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/03/2012 : 20:22:00
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Here is a marriage record from www.mncounty.com for Fred Osing:
HENNEPIN 03100302 4/28/1927
OSING, FRED
SAVARSKI, ANNE |
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