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jwiborg
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 Posted - 17/05/2012 : 19:05:51
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Truls is marked as an illegitimate child in the christening record. And below his name, there is a reference to page 31.
And there we find this, a half-sister to Truls, born just 4 months after him. Andreas must have been busy, first Hellene and then Anne... 
Anne Johanne Andreasdatter .
Birth: 15 Dec 1833
Christening: 13 Apr 1834, Modum, Buskerud, Norway
Parents: Andreas Ouensen Gulserud & Anne Jahnsdr Gulserud
A possibility:
Andreas Ouensen
Birth: 14 May 1812
Christening: 27 Jun 1812, Strømsø Drammen, Buskerud, Norway
Parents: Ouen Chrestophersen & Sigrie Halvorsdr
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/05/2012 19:18:02 |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 22:24:01
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| Thank you. That gives me a lot to review and add to my tree! |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 23:12:04
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Intersting notes at the christening of Anne Johanne. It says that this is his 5th(!) illegitimate child. It also seems he have already been sentenced twice for this, and there is a page reference to the other illegitimate children of him:
Page 8, 1833: Truls; Parents: Andreas Ouensen & Hellene Trulsdr
Page 31, 1834: Anne Johanne; Parents: Andreas Ouensen & Anne Jahnsdr
Page 150, 1828:
Helle Margrethe Andreasdatter
Birth: 12 Feb 1828
Christening: 30 Mar 1828, Modum, Buskerud, Norway
Parents: Andreas Auensen & Anne Jahnsdr
Source: Buskerud county, Modum, Parish register (official) nr. 5 (1824-1841), Birth and baptism records 1828, page 149-150.
Page 163, 1828:
Johan Andreassen
Birth: 12 Feb 1828
Christening: 30 Mar 1828, Modum, Buskerud, Norway
Parents: Andreas Auensen & Anne Jahnsdr
Source: Buskerud county, Modum, Parish register (official) nr. 5 (1824-1841), Birth and baptism records 1828, page 163-164.
Page 220, 1830:
Helle Johanne Andreasdatter
Birth: 17 Feb 1830
Christening: 14 Mar 1830, Modum, Buskerud, Norway
Parents: Andreas Auensen & Hellene Truelsdr
Source: Buskerud county, Modum, Parish register (official) nr. 5 (1824-1841), Birth and baptism records 1830, page 219-220.
First he got twins with Anne Jahnsdr, then two children with Hellene Trulsdr, and then another child with Anne again. The parish priest in Modum must have been quite shaken over Andreas' behaviour...
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Edited by - jwiborg on 17/05/2012 23:14:06 |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 23:15:31
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a very good scandal for the town I am sure! Thank you so much for all this information!
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 23:36:57
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Could this be your Andreas? There is a reference to Modum regarding his place of birth. Father listed as Ouen Hansen, and not as the previous suggestion; Ouen Chrestophersen. If so, he finally(?) settled with an older widow...
Marriage #43, 23 Jun 1840
Bachelor Andreas Ouensen Gulsrud (33) & widow Elen Elisabet Jensdr (51)
His father: Ouen Hansen
Her father: Peder Larsen
Marriage: 23 Jun 1840, Vestre Aker, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Source: Oslo county, Aker, Parish register (official) nr. 18 (1837-1841), Marriage records 1840, page 88.
Strange that the bride is named Jensdatter, and her father being Peder Larsen. Doesn't make sence...
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eibache
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 23:46:33
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A possibility:
Andreas Ouensen
Birth: 14 May 1812
Not very likely, farmers son Andreas Ouensen, Gulsrud fathered a stillborn child April 4 1823.
He also had the illegitimate children:
Helle Margrethe and Johan (twins) 1828, mother Anne Johnsdatter,
Helle Johanne 1830, mother Helene Trulsdatter,
I believe Andreas Ouensen (Oudensen) was the one born Nov 16 1807, see 3rd record on left page. Parents Ouden Hansen, Guulsrud and Helle Aslesdatter.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 00:05:06
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You're right, I missed that one. The reference to page 231, 1823:
stillborn boy
Dead: 04 Apr 1823
Parents: Confirmed, farmhand Andreas Auensen Gulsrud & girl Ellene Christofersdatter
Source: Buskerud county, Modum, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1818-1824), Death and burial records 1823, page 231-232.
Just to be precise; the churchbook didn't say his 5th illegitimate child. It said his 5th "illicit and punishable sexual intercourse".
Anne Johanne was actually his 6th child, since he got "2 for 1" when he got the twins...
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eibache
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davidlasch
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 14:16:40
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Guess having that put in the parish record book finally stopped him! Thanks for the uncensored version :)
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Originally posted by jwiborg
You're right, I missed that one. The reference to page 231, 1823:
stillborn boy
Dead: 04 Apr 1823
Parents: Confirmed, farmhand Andreas Auensen Gulsrud & girl Ellene Christofersdatter
Source: Buskerud county, Modum, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1818-1824), Death and burial records 1823, page 231-232.
Just to be precise; the churchbook didn't say his 5th illegitimate child. It said his 5th "illicit and punishable sexual intercourse".
Anne Johanne was actually his 6th child, since he got "2 for 1" when he got the twins...
Jan Peter
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davidlasch
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 14:24:26
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Thanks for the correct link - I am confused by the mothers name. I see the name Anne Jahnsdatter? if she is not the mother who is she? Thanks for all the help on this family it has been interesting!
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Originally posted by eibache
Link to Helle Margrethe should have been
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1152&idx_id=1152&uid=ny&idx_side=-80
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Parents: Confirmed, farmhand Andreas Auensen Gulsrud & girl Ellene Christofersdatter
- I read "Forældre Pige Ellene Christophersdatter og Uconfirmeret Dreng Gaardmandsøn Andreas Ouensen Guulsrud".
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jwiborg
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 15:03:43
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Originally posted by davidlasch
Thanks for the correct link - I am confused by the mothers name. I see the name Anne Jahnsdatter? if she is not the mother who is she? Thanks for all the help on this family it has been interesting!
Yes, Anne Jahnsdatter as the mother to Helle. There is two chr. references in same post. Ellene Christofersdatter refers to the stillborn child born in 1823. The question was if Anders was confirmed or not. It might read "unconfirmed", which would be even worse...
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Edited by - jwiborg on 18/05/2012 15:09:03 |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 15:24:03
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| Thanks - now I understand! :) |
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eibache
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 15:31:35
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To get it complete, for parents of Helle Johanne I read "Pige Hellene Trulsdatter, Dingnæs og hendes Sødskendebarn Ungkarl Gaardmandsøn Andreas Ouensen, Guulsrud" - i.e. Hellene and Andreas were cousins.
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davidlasch
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 17:19:03
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| This would make a good book :) |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 20:28:06
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Having a child with your 1st cousin would most likely give you time in jail. There might be scanned prison or court records available.
2nd marriage:
widower Andreas Auensen Gulsruud (43) & Birthe Jensdr (40)
Marriage: 30 Sep 1851, Modum, Buskerud, Norway
His father: Auen Hansen
Her father: Jens Hansen
Source: Buskerud county, Modum, Parish register (official) nr. 8 (1851-1859), Marriage records 1851, page 453-454.
Birthe should be this one: Berthe Jensdatter
Born 21 Mar 1811
Dead 23 Jan 1881 (widow)
Parents: Jens Hanssen & Helle Jonasdr
Andreas Ouensen; parents Auen Hansen Guulsrud & Helle Magrethe Aslesdatter
Hellene Trulsdatter; parents Truls Aslesen Dignæs & Ingeborg Evensdr
Were they 1st cousins? Yes, Helle Magrethe Aslesdatter (b. 06 Mar 1781) and Truls Aslesen (b. 14 Dec 1772) are siblings. Their parents are Asle Trulsen Dignes & Helle Hansdr.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 18/05/2012 21:05:24 |
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