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Marjorie
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 Posted - 29/06/2002 : 22:43:02
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Nels and Dora (b. Norway, Oct 1835)ANDERSON arrived in US via Quebec and St Albans by ship then by rail to Red Wing, Goodhue County, MN in 1867. Nels died shortly - Dora and children: Martha, Ole, Matilda, and Andrew moved north to Duluth and finally in late 1870's to Brainerd, Crow Wing County. Ole married ca 1880 Sarah Lemira RARDIN (b. LeSueur Co., MN.) Looking for further family information especially their roots in Norway.
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Trond
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Norway
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Posted - 30/06/2002 : 13:09:30
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This family looks the one that left Christiania (Oslo) April 21 on the frigate Refondo with destination Quebec and arrived there May 31. Passengers No. 265
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1569
Looking at other passengers from the list indicate that they came from Hedmark/Oppland, areas around the lake of Mjøsa.
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Marjorie
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Posted - 30/06/2002 : 22:39:32
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I hope I am replying the correct way to you Trond because your note was so very exciting.. The ANDERSONS have been a stone wall for me for some time and it has only been a short while back that I discovered this site. CAn you advise me as to what to do next to verify this information? and to find more about their ties in Norway? Thank you for the information... !! Marjorie
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Marjorie
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Posted - 01/07/2002 : 01:20:12
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I want to add to my last posting that I have been through ALL the recommended reading and found answers to many of my questions. All this is a wonderful help to a novice in Norwegian research. I do have a problem with the name of the above father which is in our records, Nels Anderson --- Listed as Nils A. Fjeld on the passenger list would that mean that the A is for Anderson which is the name the family assumed in America. On the passsenger list the children have Nilsen or Nilsdatter for their last names which I understand -- So would Nils be the given name, A for the Patronymic and Fjeld for the third name? I found that portion of the reading to be a bit hard to understand. And the last danme for Dorthe given as Ottesdatter I assume to be from her fathe who would be ?? my guess is Otto ??
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Trond
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Norway
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Posted - 01/07/2002 : 07:30:57
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You are right, Otto was most likely Dortes father, Nils father were Anders. Fjeld was the last farm they lived on.
I have tried to find this family at the census of 1865 without finding anything there (without been an expert on that site!!)
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/wc/webcens.exe?slag=meny&spraak=e Next step to find the family here in Norway should be the census. There are no police records for the journey of Rifondo in 1867 only the arrival record in Quebec.
One thing that crosses my mind is the age difference between Nils and Dorthe, 11 year. Dorthe would have been around 20 when Anders the oldest son was born? Was she Nilses second wife?
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Marjorie
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Posted - 02/07/2002 : 01:19:39
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I don't know if Dorthe was the second wife or not -- I noticed the age difference too - I have known only that her husband's name was "Nels" -- This was from an article I found that was written in 1936 when the US govt funded writers to interview pioneers of some areas. Fortunately, Ole was one.. and he told of their landing in Quebec and that they had traveled by train to Red Wing, Goodhue County, MN (his applicatiion for citizenship gave St. Albans as his port of entry to this country) -- he said his father immediately began to work in the harvest fields but was taken seriously ill, perhaps with appendicitis, dying shortly after their arrival and that their mother shortly after that moved to Duluth. The 1880 census lists a younger sister 8 years old which would have made her birth in 1872 -- I just looked in the index for the 1870 US census and do find a Nels Anderson listed in Goodhue Co -- so will look that up..that would mean that he certainy did not die too shortly after arriving.. However, I seem to have had little detail about Andrew/Anders - didn't know whether he was younger or older than Ole until his age in the passenger list - and he was not in the censuses that I found Dora/Dorthe and Ole and Matilda and Martha... So it may be that he was a son of Nels and a first wife...??? and being older may have struck out on his own --- he is listed as a brother in the obituary for Martha.
I had checked to see if the Police records would hold information and was sorry to see that the later ship qualified but not the Rifondo..But I did read as much as possible about the shipping and the emigrations etc..which really helps.
Nils and Dorthe are the great great grandparents of my husband - His grandmother was Martha who married a French Canadian immigrant, Felix Duclos in MN - They moved to Seattle in the Pacific Northwest and so my husband did not know his maternal grandparents..I am the family recorder and have been struggling with Jerry's maternal ancestors for some time.. He died in March and so I am sorry not to be able to share My elation over all this with him but we have children and grandchldren who need to know their background.
I will now try to figure out how to use the census that you sent me the website for... and I probably will be back to you with further questions .. I can only repeat how very grateful I am to you for all your help.
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Marjorie
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Posted - 02/07/2002 : 01:41:34
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I really messed up this time - A strange button kept popping up asking me to repost or not and whatever I hit it returned... nor could I exit - So now I see I have several repeats to my first reply -- I can't figure out how to delete them so will just give up.
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Trond
Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 02/07/2002 : 16:26:08
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The name Ottesen/Ottesdatter is not a common name and could be a lead and a good search criteria. There were in April 1870 two brothers from Goel; Halvor and Arne Ottesen traveling to Red Wing. Could they be related? I haven’t found them either in the census of 1865.
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Borge
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Norway
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Posted - 02/07/2002 : 22:51:23
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I really messed up this time - A strange button kept popping up asking me to repost or not and whatever I hit it returned... nor could I exit - So now I see I have several repeats to my first reply -- I can't figure out how to delete them so will just give up.
Hi Marjorie, you can delete any post that you have posted by clicking the little rubbish bin in the header of the posting. We all learn new things every day  . Also, there are some bugs causing some minor problems with the forum right now, due to some security changes that we had to implement, but we hope to get things sorted out soon. I took the liberty of deleting your duplicated posting.
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Marjorie
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Posted - 03/07/2002 : 19:48:08
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Thanks for your help and erasing Borg - I am off an away now to check out US census and stuff for Ottesons in MN -- and also to tackel the 1865 census you sent for me to do --- that seems pretty complicated for this novice in Norway..
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Borge
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Norway
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Posted - 03/07/2002 : 21:34:16
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Thanks for your help and erasing Borg - I am off an away now to check out US census and stuff for Ottesons in MN -- and also to tackel the 1865 census you sent for me to do --- that seems pretty complicated for this novice in Norway..
Well, just let us know if you need any more help on the Norwegian stuff, and we will see what we can do.
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Marjorie
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Posted - 05/07/2002 : 00:26:58
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One thing further: If Fjeld following the Name Nils A. is the name of the farm then "fjeld" is not "field?" -- I found on the map I have (which is an old one and small) an "Otunfjeld" in the Province of Opland. And farther to the north of there in another province I see in large letters sprawled across: "Dovre Fjeld" - I do not know how to interpret these Fjelds. and connect them to Nils' name. I could find neither the Anderson nor the Ottesens in the 1870 census of RedWing or surrounding towns. They may be nearby.
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/07/2002 : 09:19:45
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Hi Marjorie, Fjeld means mountain so they lived on a mountain farm. In the 1865 census there are 118 farms named fjeld and this doesn't include variations (fjeldal, fjeldalen etc.) I have searched for Nels and Dora in the 1865 census with no success. There are a few areas that aren't on the census (including Goel) so they could be from one of these areas. Have you checked Dora's death certificate? You can search for and order them on line at http://people.mnhs.org/dci/Search.cfm and it might have her parents name, birthplace and her birthplace which would give you a place to look in Norway.
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Marjorie
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Posted - 08/07/2002 : 19:59:23
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Thank you Carla -- I will see what I can find with the death certificate - I do have Dora's application for citizenship and some land records - and I have pages of an article by her son Ole -- also the obituary for her -- I also Have tried to find them in the 1865 census but since I am not sure how to use that thought I could be missing them.. Incidentally - I have not been able to find the family in Red Wing MN in 1870 - nor in the MN index for that year which probably means either I am looking in the wrong places or they were left out by whoever copied it -- I have looked in Red Wing (and surronding areas) also for the OTTESONS as suggested but I cannot find them either.... I am assuming that the "A." written beside Nils A. Fjeld in the passenger list stands for Anderson. Thanks again..
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Kamdahlus
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Posted - 19/07/2002 : 05:45:06
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Thank you Carla -- I will see what I can find with the death certificate - I do have Dora's application for citizenship and some land records - and I have pages of an article by her son Ole -- also the obituary for her -- I also Have tried to find them in the 1865 census but since I am not sure how to use that thought I could be missing them.. Incidentally - I have not been able to find the family in Red Wing MN in 1870 - nor in the MN index for that year which probably means either I am looking in the wrong places or they were left out by whoever copied it -- I have looked in Red Wing (and surronding areas) also for the OTTESONS as suggested but I cannot find them either.... I am assuming that the "A." written beside Nils A. Fjeld in the passenger list stands for Anderson. Thanks again..
Marjorie,
The Minnesota Historical Society in St. Paul, MN has a large collection of newspapers from around the state on fiche. You may be able to find additional articles on the family you are researching. I am not positive of the possiblilty of getting research done but the phone number is (651) 296-2143 and they should be able to tell you what is available.
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Marjorie
Starting member
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Posted - 20/07/2002 : 06:35:34
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KA - Thanks you for your help. I will try that. -- I belong to and have had some help from the Crow Wing Gen. Soc in Brainerd.
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