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Mlmoseley
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 Posted - 09/09/2012 : 01:13:42
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Hello! Does anyone know of another Sofienberg church in or near Oslo, not the one in Oslo today? Some background for my question...I have an obituary for my great-great-grandmother Maren Christiansen. She was born in Skedsmo in Akershus, emigrated with my great-great-grandfather and their oldest children in 1881, and died in 1928 in Iowa. Her obituary mentions that she was married in Sofienberg church on 17 March 1879. (Her husband was still alive at the time of her death, and presumably he provided all or most of the information in the obituary.)
I know of a church by that name in Oslo today, but wasn't called Sofienberg until 1962. Before that time, it was called Petrus. However, the obituary from 1928 specifically says Sofienberg church in Oslo. Was another church called Sofienberg in 1928 and earlier, one that has a different name today? I have checked the digital marriage records from Petrus, just to be on the safe side, but I did not find the correct one.
Mange takk!
Marsha
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jwiborg
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Posted - 09/09/2012 : 01:53:19
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Their son Hans Kristian was christened in Petrus church.
#23 Hans Kristian Kristiansen
Born: 20 Dec 1880
Christening: 13 Mar 1881, Petrus church, Oslo, Norway
Parents: Martin Kristiansen & Maren Sofie Sørensen Kristensen
Source: Oslo county, Petrus, Parish register (official) nr. 1 (1880-1887), Birth and baptism records 1881, page 12.
Is this a daughter who died before the emigration? Only the sons Bernhard and Hans Kristian are listed at the emigration.
#143 Harriet Sofie Kristensen
Birth: 24 Okt 1876
Christening: 03 Dec 1876, Asker, Akershus, Norway
Parents: Martin Kristensen b.1839 & girl Maren Sørensdr b.1850, Johnsrud
Source: Akershus county, Asker, Parish register (official) nr. I 8 (1865-1878), Birth and baptism records 1876, page 190.
Their 1st illegitimate child
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Edited by - jwiborg on 09/09/2012 02:26:03 |
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Mlmoseley
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Posted - 09/09/2012 : 03:32:54
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Thank you for posting the christening records! I knew about Hans Kristian, but I have never seen his baptism record. I have seen the emigration record for Martin and Maren, and you're right, it only lists Hans Kristian and Bernhard. I have never heard of Harriet Sofie; an interesting (and sad) piece of information.
Perhaps Sofienberg was called so informally even before its name was officially changed? It puzzles me that an obituary written in 1928 should refer to Sofienberg, when the church didn't receive that name until decades later.
Since you found a christening record for one of their children in the records for Petrus, I will look there again for their marriage record.
Thanks again!
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jwiborg
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Posted - 09/09/2012 : 04:02:28
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Note: Harriet Sofies parents could be namesakes. Their y.o.b. doesnt match with the years in Hans' chr. record.
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Mlmoseley
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Posted - 09/09/2012 : 04:17:31
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Thanks for the note. You're right , the birth years don't match up.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/09/2012 : 05:45:18
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The only child missing from the count of 8 for Maren in the 1900 US census is Benhard:
Name: Marn S Christianson
Titles & Terms:
Event: Census
Event Date: 1900
Event Place: ED 124 Bluffton & Orleans Townships, Winneshiek, Iowa, United States
Birth Date: Nov 1852
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Race or Color (Standardized): White
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 23
Estimated Marriage Year: 1877
Mother How Many Children: 8
Number Living Children: 7
Immigration Year: 1881
Page: 1
Sheet Letter: A
Family Number: 3
Reference Number: 11
Film Number: 1240466
Digital Folder Number: 004120129
Image Number: 00029
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Martin Christianson M 46 Norway
Wife Marn S Christianson F 48 Norway
Son Hans C Christianson M 19 Norway
Son Selvin A Christianson M 17 Iowa
Daughter Emma J Christianson F 15 Iowa
Daughter Martha B Christianson F 13 Iowa
Daughter Signa A Christianson F 10 Iowa
Son Oscar F Christianson M 7 Iowa
Daughter Clara A Christianson F 5 Iowa
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jkmarler
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Kåarto
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Posted - 09/09/2012 : 10:21:22
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Petrus was Paulus.
March 17. 1879 was a Monday.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 09/09/2012 10:41:15 |
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eibache
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Posted - 09/09/2012 : 10:44:27
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I believe Maren Christiansen, born in Skedsmo must be the one baptized Maren Sofie Jan 1 1853, see #2. Her parents are listed as Søren Sørensen and Anne Hansdatter - I believe Anne Hansdatter should have been Nielsdatter.
The family moved to Nittedal where they are in 1865 - here the wife/mother is Anne Nielsdatter.
The marriage of Søren Sørensen and Anne Nielsdatter was Aug 24 1852, see #9.
The confirmation record for Maren Sofie is #21.
The confirmation record for Hans is #27.
The confirmation record for Stina Bolette is #11.
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eibache
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Posted - 09/09/2012 : 11:30:07
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I have seen the emigration record for Martin and Maren, and you're right, it only lists Hans Kristian and Bernhard.
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this is the emigration record.
Since Bernhard is listed as 9 years old in 1881, i.e. born approx 1872, the marriage date given could not be right - unless he was born out of wedlock.
Hans (Kristian) is listed as 5 years, i.e. born approx 1876 while the bapt record from Petrus says 1880.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 09/09/2012 : 20:01:14
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#39, marriage 17 Mar 1878
Bachelor, carpenter Martin Kristiansen & girl Maren Sofie Sørensdatter
He: Born Fet, residence Rodeløkken. Born 06 Mar 1854. Father Kristian Nilsen.
She: Born Nitedalen, residence Rodeløkken. Born 27 Nov 1852. Father Søren Sørensen.
Source: Oslo county, Østre Aker, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1876-1878), Marriage records 1878, page 443.
#305 Bernhard Fridjof
Born: 20 Aug 1878
Chr: 01 Sep 1878, Østre Aker church, Oslo, Norway
Parents: Carpenter Martin Kristiansen b.1854 & wife Maren Sofie Sørensen b.185?, wergelands gade (street)
Source: Oslo county, Østre Aker, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1876-1878), Birth and baptism records men 1878, no page no.
A) Sofienberg church
B) Østre Aker church
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Mlmoseley
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Posted - 10/09/2012 : 00:52:34
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jwiborg, you found the elusive marriage record! Mange takk! So they weren't married at Sofienberg/Petrus/Paulus at all, but rather at a different church altogether. But they lived in the Sofienberg area later, because their son Hans was baptized there. Thank you for the picture of the Østre Aker church and the map, too.
eibache, thank you for all the links to the marriage, census, baptism and confirmation records. All very helpful. You're right about the children's ages on the emigration record - they don't match up with any other information I have. Since that record is a type-written or computer-written transcription of a hand-written record, it's quite possible that the transcriber made a mistake in recording the ages, or perhaps misread the numbers. Or perhaps they were wrong on the original record.
I read Maren's obituary again. It mentions that she was survived by her brother Hans, in Michigan, and her sister Stina, who was unmarried and living in Oslo. My next task is to look for further information about both of them.
I am amazed and gratified at all of the information you posted in response to my question. I cannot thank you enough!
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Mlmoseley
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Posted - 10/09/2012 : 00:55:34
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jkmarler, thanks for the 1900 US census info. You're right that Bernhard is the only child listed as missing. He died in 1882.
Thanks!
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jwiborg
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Posted - 10/09/2012 : 01:06:48
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Some problems with the link to Bernhard Fridjof's chr record. You can try to go here, and scroll forward 29 pages, to the page after page 90.
The note under his chr. date says "Sof."... short for Sofienberg?
Maybe they got married in Sofienberg after all, but the record is in the Østre Aker church book? Could be the same parish priest in charge of both churches...?
I believe the groom would remember the name of the church where they got married.. 
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jwiborg
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Posted - 10/09/2012 : 01:26:28
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Stina in census-1910, working as a maid at the Holmenkollen Sanatorium, a former health resort in Oslo. Today Holmenkollen Park Hotel.
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Mlmoseley
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Posted - 10/09/2012 : 01:45:01
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Curiouser and curiouser, as Alice in Wonderland would say! I think that baptism record is for "my" Bernhard Christiansen - his date of birth matches info I already have for him. I also have his middle initial as "F", although I didn't know what name it signified.
So perhaps this whole episode of confusion is caused by a parish priest?! I do think your explanation is plausible, although there is no notation on Martin and Maren's marriage record to indicate they were married at the church in Sofienberg.
And yes, one would think the groom would remember where he had been married, but men *have* been known to forget things! 
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Another Sofienberg kirke in/near Oslo
