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Kåarto
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 Posted - 22/02/2013 : 22:53:53
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It means switching farms;
If I get your farm, you get my farm.
The story do not tell if any of them was heir or had a connection to one of the farms.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 22/02/2013 23:22:54 |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 22/02/2013 : 23:14:25
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interesting that they would swap farms!
thank you for the Vossiboki genealogy page.
It seemed full of information.
I started to look for a tree from Lars Larsen Graue, Graae,
on both the Lars Johnsen line and the Ingebor Nielsdatter
lines but I found nothing in any souces
thank you again for all these treasures of information you have given me
Carl |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 22/02/2013 : 23:52:33
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You are welcome.
Farms were assessed by other norms at that time.
On Mæringi Lars Thorstensen paid the tax with raspberries he sold in the village Vossevangen.
Lars Thorstensens children;
Synneva 1818, Barbro 1819 married 1843 Ole Olsen Leidal, Thorstein 1822 takes ovre Mæringi from his father 1842 but sold the farm next year for 600 Daler and moved to Graue/Graude, Martha 1822 died unmarried 1850, Ingebjørg 1829 married 1856 widower Lars Larsen Graue.
Graue is an old farm mentioned in documents 1323, the origin of the name is likely the old word Graudar/Graudim which means chest.
It fits well, the farm is located high up in the middle of the detached Graue hill/ridge.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 00:24:52
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Graue, the name is written in many variants; Graue, Grauo, Graudum, Gravdun, Grandar, Groude, Grefue, Grøffue, Grove.
Mai 22.1323 on Vossevangen it was spelled Graudum.
In modern language a summary of the doc. goes like this;
Fridrick Priest on Vangen on Voss, Orm Kaffle, Bjørn Steinsson and Svein on Graue witness that Odd, farmer on Gerdaker bought 2 "Manedsbol" in farm Saude from Halvard Hallesson.
The lower part is in 1323 language, Svein on Graue in line 3 is written;
Suæinn a Graudum, link
2 Maanedsbol is the amount of food for a man in 2 months.
He was a partowner in the farm which was normal in the old days.
I can not find your family on Graue, i wonder if the owner of these pages only mentions his family, thats why I thought "Vossaboki" was not complete online, but Lars Larsen is on Graue with wife and 6 children in the 1865 census.
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carl johnson
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 00:47:30
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You have given me new energy.
All this information is like gold to me.
I am still at a dead end with Lars Larsen Graue.
It seems like he just appears in history in 1856
Maybe I am confused by the double name.
I tried looking for birth records but was stuck.
I think I found his burial records a while back
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/gr/person/pg00000000572108
I can not find his history before he married Ingerborg 7/3/1856
I am going to go over all this new information you have sent me
thank you thank you!
Carl
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Originally posted by Kåarto
You are welcome.
Farms were assessed by other norms at that time.
On Mæringi Lars Thorstensen paid the tax with raspberries he sold in the village Vossevangen.
Lars Thorstensens children;
Synneva 1818, Barbro 1819 married 1843 Ole Olsen Leidal, Thorstein 1822 takes ovre Mæringi from his father 1842 but sold the farm next year for 600 Daler and moved to Graue/Graude, Martha 1822 died unmarried 1850, Ingebjørg 1829 married 1856 widower Lars Larsen Graue.
Graue is an old farm mentioned in documents 1323, the origin of the name is likely the old word Graudar/Graudim which means chest.
It fits well, the farm is located high up in the middle of the detached Graue hill/ridge.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 01:05:58
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Lars and Ingeborg/Ingebjørg on Øvre (Upper) Graue with 5 children.
Oldest son Anders/Andres married to Martha Eriksdatter run the farm with his father in 1875
Its one hour passed midnight in Norway, time to take a rest.
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carl johnson
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 01:14:22
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thank you
have a blessed sleep
you have been very kind
Thank you
Carl
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 10:54:23
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quote:
Originally posted by carl johnson
I think I found his burial records a while back
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/gr/person/pg00000000572108
Carl
It must be Lars Larsen spelled Graae, an error for Graue. Born on Bjørke 1816 (1815) , occ: "Kaarmand" a legal right on the farm on free supplies for the rest og his life. "e" enkemand, widower, he died of age on Graue, #51
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 11:14:48
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Graue øvre (upper) 1900.
Lars Larsen and Ingebjørg Larsdatter as "føderaadsmand" and "Føderaadskone", another expression with same legal right as Kaarmand above.
Anders Larsen 1848 and Martha with 4 children, Nils L. b. 1860, occ "Fæhandler", livestock dealer, is Anders brother, link
In 1900 there were 5 øvre Graue farms, your Lars Larsen folk is mentioned in the Ullstad genealogy in Vossaboki for Øvre Graue/Grauo/Graudo under Bruk 7, farm nr 7, page 238 as Lars Bjørku recieved deed fom his steph father in 1845for 950 Spesi Daler.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 12:30:06
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Lars Larsen Bjørke was married 2 times, his first wife Siselja b. 1819 married 1842.
Children; Ingebjørg, Brita, Ragnhild, Anders, Anna and Lars.
In his 2. marriage in 1856 with Ingebjørg Larsdatter they had following children; Siselja, Nils, Johannes, Brynjulv and Ingebjørg.
All of lars children (9) em. to N. America exept Anders and Nils. Anders takes over Graue and married Martha from Nedre (Lower) Graue 1875, both died on Graue 1908.
Lars recieved deed on the farm 1895 for 3200 Kroner (ca 800 Daler)
His son Lars b. 1878 maried Anna Oddsdatter Tøn in 1908 and recieved deed on the farm 1933 for 10.00 Kroner.
- Nils Larsen b. 1860 on Graue married Tina Nilsdatter, see farm nr 4 under Eggjareid.
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hasto
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 13:11:37
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The parents of Lars Larsen (b. 1816), Lars Jonsen (35) and Ingeborg Nilsdatter (30) on Bjørke in 1801 census
Probably Iver Jonsen is a brother of Lars, and Sigvor Iversdatter (67) their mother. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 16:26:32
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Lars Larsen Bjørke (means Birch)
His parents;
Lars Johnsen Bjørke b. 1766 married Ingeborg Nilsdatter Jørdre b. 1772, recievd deed on a part in Bjørke, 1/3 in a saw mill and a "Stampe" Stampe was a facility driven by water for processing leather, homespun etc. for 600 Daler from his father John Larsen in 1788, but recieved the rest of his fathers farm later.
Lars Johnsen also owned three parts of land by the shores (at lake Vossavatnet?) and a farm called Olavsholmen.
Lars Johnsen was called "Store Bjørke" Large Bjørke and was one of the richets farmers on Voss.
He owned several horses and cattle he sold in Bergen or lent to other farmers on Voss. He also produced spirit to the guest house Kongstun for 12 Shilling a bottle and ran fishing and fish cultivation in some lakes of trout and probably char.
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carl johnson
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 19:55:39
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You my friend were very busy while I was sleeping-
It is so much new information that is more than
birth days and death days. This begins to fill in the story
and the history of a man who lived a real life with real
choices to be made. It is interesting that so many of his children made the choice to leave a place that sounds wonderful, for a place of uncertainty. Was this part of Norway in turmoil during the 1800's?
thank you for this new history!
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 22:20:17
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No as well as in the Voss area as in the rest of of Norway there was turmoil.
A summary of the history from ca 1397-1905.
After a 400 years union with Denmark called the "400 years dark night" with so many wars against Sweden that ended 1814 where Norway was forced into a union with Sweden because of the Napoleon wars in Europe link
This unwanted union ended 1905 link
A summary of the main reason;
The main reason for the great em. to north America where ca 50 % of the population em. was hunger and powerty.
In the 1790s the authorites started a vaccination program against small pox, a blessing for the parents.
In two generations the population doubled.
It was crowded, people starved, so when the name America was heard in the 1830s it was the beginning of the em. to North America.
The first em. from my area was in 1837, 3 young men; neighbors warned them and said "you can be sold as slaves, If I were you I would rather hang myself in the next tree instead of ending up as slaves"
They could not believe that the land was free.
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carl johnson
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Posted - 23/02/2013 : 22:44:46
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I am just beginning to learn about the tension between Norway and Sweden, and between both countries and Denmark during these years.
I never understood why here in Bellingham, Washington, USA
all my Grandparents from those 3 countries did not enjoy each others company even while Larson boys and girls were marrying Swedes
and Danes.
My Danish Great-Grand Parents were here in 1892 so they were
establish as Millers instead of Mollers for a while before the Larsons
made it across America from New York..
They seemed to want to become Americans only- not Danish.
But now with your help I can begin to see the struggles they had.
This is all great news from Norway. Any more info you my come across will be thankfully received.
You mentioned 3 boys from your region of Norway. Is your region
near Voss?
Thanks again!
Carl
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Lars Larsen Ingeborg Larsdatter pre 1865 census
