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Kċarto
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 Posted - 26/02/2013 : 17:40:24
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Thank you for nice words.
I have an idea of where to look, so it´s not that much work.
I am most afraid to make mistakes since so much information are posted in a few days, but I think it´s correct up to now.
Now you can say that you know much more about Norway in the medieval time than most Norwegians 
The reason for the disagreement between Norway and England in 1415 was the right to fish around the Norwegian isles.
Time has not changed much, it is not long ago since it was a fish-war going on between England and Iceland, and we have trouble with "fishing-pirats" now and then.
I will post a new doc. reg the 1415 document after dinner and one or two cups of cofee.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 26/02/2013 17:41:44 |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 26/02/2013 : 18:58:14
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Yes, it seems like everybody repeats their mistakes from
the past over and over again.
I look forward to what is coming after your dinner
I also enjoy coffee and began my day with a cup.
I am going to see my 1/4 Norwegian Mother tomorrow,
and I am excited to share all these ancestors with her!
She is 87 and only knows very little of her Grandfather
who was Lars Graue and Ingeborg Larsdatters son who
left for New York sometime in the 1890's?
I think she will be overwhelmed by all this
Thank you Kċre
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/02/2013 : 19:37:37
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Say hello to her
Sometimes the oral tradition from generation to generation has a lot of truth, perhaps Lars Graue had an idea about his ancestors?
Its not easy to tell and be believed in that once ancestor knew the king well.
You are right, it seems like people never learn from the history.
Nov. 1415.
Report from king Eric´s messengers, Jacob bishop of Oslo and Hr (Mr) Eindride of Losna to king Henrik V regarding the Englismens sailing and fishing by those under the Norwegian crown belonging islands, particulary Iceland, link
Its not mentioned where the letter was written, but a doc. Origin? on paper is kept in British Museum.
On top of the doc. its written by another person;
An III Henr. 5. 28. Nouembr.
Its a large document, the origin in Latin
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Kċarto
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Posted - 26/02/2013 : 20:32:55
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This document should have been mentioned first.
Fall 1415.
King Eric in a letter to king Henrik V where he recommend the Norwegian members of his Counsil, bishop Jacob of Oslo and Mr. Eindride of Losna as he sends for verbally to explain about the new English unpresedented attac on Iceland.
The letter written on paper is kept in British Museum, link
Sources dries out.
If I came across more of interst I will post it here.
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carl johnson
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Posted - 27/02/2013 : 02:02:52
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I came across a tree that also includes Lars Nilsson Spildo-
Tell me if you think it is possible-
lars nilsson son of
nils brynjulfson son of continues--
brynjulv sjurson-
sjur askjellson-
and sjurs wife Anna (johansdotter?) steward-
anna stewards father-
james steward 1534- and this is where it gets shakey
king james V stuart of scotland-
then it continues on back to a patrick dunbar earl of dunbar
I can not find Sjur Askjellson with any other wife than Anna Torgilsdatter, and in this link http://www.look.no/anita/slekt/webcards/ps38/ps38_359.htm his wife is Anna Steward-
I know all this is undocumented but it is a completely different
direction than I have ever seen-
If you have time to look in the archives, it would be interesting
to see if there is any fact to this line-
Thank you
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/02/2013 : 16:52:36
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Hi.
The owners, two Norwegians, Anita and Lasse, has worked on this familytree sine 2000 so it´s a through working basis for the result and it seems like an honest work.
It´s been stated many sources, I miss the sources to several of the characters and how the information is collected.
Reg. the Scottish Steward, that info is true;
Admiral Christopher Trondsen Rustungs daughter Anna was engagaed to James Hepburn, earl of Bothwell, he left Anna and married Queen of Scotland, Maria Steward "Bloody Mary"
Rustungs daughter Dorthea married William/James Steward of Scotland.
It`s several thousand pages on Christopher T. Rustung in Norwegian, I managed to get this info in English.
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carl johnson
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Posted - 27/02/2013 : 17:22:46
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Thank you-
So many interesting variations at this point of history-
This Scottish/Norwegian interaction seems to have happened
a lot during these decades.
So much history to learn from
Thank you for the link, and thanks for verifying the honest intent
of the sources-
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Kċarto
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Posted - 28/02/2013 : 23:35:48
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You are welcome
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Lars Nilsen Spildo 1635-1717.
Father ; Nils Brynjelsen Nĉs
Father Brynjel Sjursen Nĉs
Mother Magdalena Samsonsdatter Ling
Father Samson Fartegnson Linga
Father Fartegn Matson Bagge-Seim-Ĉnes
Mother Anna the elder Fartegnsdater Semeleng-Losna
Father Fartegn Fillippusson the younger Losna
Father Fillippus Fartegnson Losna
Father Fartegn the elder Fillippusson Losna
Father Fillippus Erlendson Odensland-Losna
Father Erlend Fillippuson Losna
Father Fillippus Losna.
Sunnhordland 1563.
Skattemantall "Tax census" for the district of Sunnhordland where Samson Fartegnson "gaff aff enn flomsaugh" paid tax for a saw mill he used at high flow in the river, see here
The tax was on i-j daler, I belive j means halv; 1 half Daler.
One Daler was the value of 4 Kroner, 2 kroner in 1563 is today 1011 Kroner (ca 180 Dollar)
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carl johnson
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Posted - 01/03/2013 : 00:48:45
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This is great-
I will try to look on google earth to see if the remains of some building or saw mill is still there.
For some reason the quality of image for Norway is not very high
resolution- very blurred-not in focus.
Street view works great when a farm is near one of the roads
the google truck has traveled.
Thank you for this new link
Carl
Edit I am lost on the map as to where the sawmill would be-
I looked on Google but it did not seem right.
Carl
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Originally posted by Kċarto
You are welcome
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Lars Nilsen Spildo 1635-1717.
Father ; Nils Brynjelsen Nĉs
Father Brynjel Sjursen Nĉs
Mother Magdalena Samsonsdatter Ling
Father Samson Fartegnson Linga
Father Fartegn Matson Bagge-Seim-Ĉnes
Mother Anna the elder Fartegnsdater Semeleng-Losna
Father Fartegn Fillippusson the younger Losna
Father Fillippus Fartegnson Losna
Father Fartegn the elder Fillippusson Losna
Father Fillippus Erlendson Odensland-Losna
Father Erlend Fillippuson Losna
Father Fillippus Losna.
Sunnhordland 1563.
Skattemantall "Tax census" for the district of Sunnhordland where Samson Fartegnson "gaff aff enn flomsaugh" paid tax for a saw mill he used at high flow in the river, see here
The tax was on i-j daler, I belive j means halv; 1 half Daler.
One Daler was the value of 4 Kroner, 2 kroner in 1563 is today 1011 Kroner (ca 180 Dollar)
Kċre
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/03/2013 : 09:47:57
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Have you tried this or this maps.
Kommune/Municipality, Tettsed/Population center, Kirke/Church
Gard-Gċrd-Bruk/Farm
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Kċarto
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Posted - 01/03/2013 : 10:10:41
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Samsom Fartegnson Linga was born on Ĉnes
This family tree includes a blurred photo of Linga
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carl johnson
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Posted - 01/03/2013 : 22:19:11
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Yes!
Much better -
Thank you
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carl johnson
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Posted - 02/03/2013 : 19:37:26
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I needed the AE letter from Norwegian language to input in google
earth. Amazing to be able to stand on the bridge that crosses the
stream of Samson's farm (bruk)
Thank you-
Carl
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Have you tried this or this maps.
Kommune/Municipality, Tettsed/Population center, Kirke/Church
Gard-Gċrd-Bruk/Farm
Kċre
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Kċarto
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Posted - 02/03/2013 : 20:13:25
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It is amazing to be on the other side of the Atlantic watching the river where Samson could use his saw mill only at high water level in the river.
This was normally in spring when the snow was smelting or in strong rainfall periods as in fall.
The saw that was used in the 1500s was an "Oppgangssag" like this copy where the blade mowed vertically up and down.
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carl johnson
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Posted - 03/03/2013 : 01:43:37
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Thank you for the info and link for the photo
Carl
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Originally posted by Kċarto
It is amazing to be on the other side of the Atlantic watching the river where Samson could use his saw mill only at high water level in the river.
This was normally in spring when the snow was smelting or in strong rainfall periods as in fall.
The saw that was used in the 1500s was an "Oppgangssag" like this copy where the blade mowed vertically up and down.
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Lars Larsen Ingeborg Larsdatter pre 1865 census
