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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 05/02/2013 : 22:56:16
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The 1870 document would be the Declaration of Intention? It took at least 4 or 5 years of residence in the US to complete the naturalization process so you could look for later documents of that complete process.
"Charles 15 King of Norway" is a bit of a chuckle -- someone was really trying to Americanize names. The King of Norway in 1870 was Carl IV. (Carl the 4th). Carl can also be spelled as Karl. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/02/2013 : 23:52:18
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Karl IV (1826-1872)
King of Sweden and Norway 1859-1872
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2013 : 00:19:01
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Originally posted by DAJohnson
Ole Peter Johnson died or was buried January 5, 1882 at the age of 17 years and 7 months, was born in Norway and died of a "wound"... had worked in a saw mill. This has to have been the reason his father was purchasing a cemetery plot in Jan. 1882.
Relying on my gene program for the math, it came up with a birthdate of 6 June 1864 based on 5 Jan 1882 as death date and the years & months, pretty close to actual 24 May 1864. |
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2013 : 01:24:26
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| Can you tell me where you found that Hans Christian Johansen died when 7 weeks old? |
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2013 : 01:27:01
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| Ole Peter could very well have died earlier. The cemetery only has the date of his burial as January 5 and I have not seen the obituary. Since the family did not have a burial plot and it was around the time of the Christmas and New Year's holidays and during the winter, his body could very well have been held for the 10 days or more. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2013 : 04:50:52
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Can you tell me where you found that Hans Christian Johansen died when 7 weeks old?
I had noticed that the child Ole Peder was listed with an age in the 1865 census that disagreed with the emigration record from Oslo. So I was paging through the parish birth or death records of Østre Toten just to see if the emigrant was a second son given the same name after the first died. Happened across record of the child Hans Christian and his matching parents to those I was interested in.
The church records being online absolutely free is a great gift from Norway!
I also explored through the various other databases for Østre Toten at the Digitalarkivet website. Some were very interesting.
The database "Døypte i Østre Toten prestegjeld 1866-1877" contributed to the Digitalarkivet website by the Gjøvik og Toten slektshistorielag shows Hans Christian's birth/baptism info and links to the original handwritten record (see Lenke)
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=52&filnamn=dp05281866&gardpostnr=241&sokefelt=skjul
The database "Gravlagde i Østre Toten prestegjeld 1866-1877" shows Hans Christian's death and links to the original handwritten record (see Lenke)
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=gr05281866&gardpostnr=136&sokefelt=skjul
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2013 : 17:49:25
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Helene Hansdtr (39) and her child Ole Peter (3) arrived Quebec on the ship Hibernian on 09 May 1870.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2013 : 18:31:05
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There are a few peculiarities about the records from Østre Toten in this search.
For instance in the 1865 census transcription Johan's patronymic is given as "Larson" not "Jenson" as it should have been. Typing error during transcription or was it incorrect in the original?
Then there are a few details about the marriage. The only actual church book online appears to be the one linked to in my post. In that record the bride's age is given as 29 and her father as only Hans, no last name. On that whole page of marriages there are no records of the banns reading, bond posters etc.
That made me curious about the source for the data reproduced in the database that Hopkins linked to. Under the documentation tab there was this:
Documentation part of the page in original Norwegian:
Denne delen av kirkeboka er pga en feil ikke mikrofilmet pr. okt 2007
Google translation wasn't remarkably clear:
"This part of the church because of the book is a failure not microfilmed date. October 2007"
Does this mean that the microfilming of the records was faulty, missing this chunk of the records and that this was discovered in October 2007 or what?
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2013 : 18:53:26
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Denne delen av kirkeboka er pga en feil ikke mikrofilmet pr. okt 2007,
This part of the churchbook is because of an error not microfilmed as per October 2007.
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
42 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2013 : 19:18:12
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| So....was Johan a Jensen or a Larsen? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2013 : 19:23:13
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My feeling is he is a Jenson.
The transcription of the census is a secondary record, produced long after the fact.
If the error is contained in the actual original handwritten document, then its an unfortunate event, that can be overcome by diligent, informed research.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2013 : 19:39:06
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His marriage record, and the christening records of his two sons says his name was Johan Jensen.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2013 : 19:51:31
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Yes, a "preponderance" of evidence is another indicator that can be used to overcome a deficiency in a record.
Lots of lessons to learn on this search... |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2013 : 20:12:00
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I believe his parents was Jens Hansen & Helene Johannesdatter, and that he already had 3 siblings in America at the time of his emigration in 1869/1870.
Emigration to America:
1857: Anne Mathea Jensdatter Skjefstadeie, b. 24 Apr 1833, daughter of Jens Hansen & Helene Johannesdatter. Two siblings emigrated later.
1861: Johanne Jensdatter Skjefstadeie, b. 28 Dec 1839, conf. 1855, daughter of Jens Hansen og Helene Johansdatter. Her sister Anne Mathea was already in America. Brother Peder emigrated later.
1865: Peder Jensen Schjefstad, b. 18 May 1836, son of Jens Hansen og Hellene Johannesdatter Skjefstadeie. Peder had two siblings already in America, se 1857/23 and 1861/63. Bachelor Peder Jensen Schefstad 28 yo.
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DAJohnson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2013 : 04:50:27
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Please explain to me what the following mean, as I do not know: Helene Hansdatter's parent have the word, Skaugerud after both of their names. What is Skaugerud.? Is it an actual part of their names or their farm or their county or parish??? and then after each individual name - Hans Christiansen there is the word Ronaas (the o has the cross line on it but I can't make it with my computer) and Pernille Olsdatter has the word Zvaerud after her name... what is Zvaerud? and why are each of these different after the names?
And can you tell me what church uses "H" as its acronym?
By the way, I looked in Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_XV_of_Sweden and see that Charles the 15th of Sweden is also Charles or Carl (Carl Ludvig Eugen) or Karl IV of Norway from 3 May 1826 - 18 September 1872 in Sweden and from 1859 in Norway until his death.. so it is confusing!
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